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Very Very Hard Water

Discussion in 'General Plant Topics' started by Taylor, Nov 15, 2018.

  1. Taylor

    Taylor New Member

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    I have a 75 gallon high tech planted tank. I do ei dosing plus add dtpa iron chelate just before lights turn on and the ph is around 7. Co2 and water flow seem to be sufficient. My tap water after I've aerated it over night is ph 8, gh 37, and kh 33. Crypts and swords seem to do alright but I've never had much luck with stem plants. They all seem to grow stunted. Is my hard water to blame for this or is there still something I'm doing wrong.
     
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    Those values are way past being very very hard. It might be a good idea to invest in an affordable RO unit.
     
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    I’ve been on the fence about getting one but I think I need one at this point.
     
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    It appears that way. I have a KH of 12 and a GH of 18 which are considered extremely hard values. I was hesitant at first but then I realised; switching to RO was the best thing I have ever done since I started the hobby.

    I use CaSO4 and MgSO4 to get 28ppm Ca ( 3.92 dGH ) and 8ppm Mg ( 1.85 dGH ), ratio 3.5:1, resulting in a total dGH of 5.77.

    I use Seachem Alkaline Buffer to get a KH of 2.
     
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    Ok thank you. I’ve been fighting this since I set the tank up in February and until now I had no idea what the issue was.
     
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    Marine Depot has an economy 4 stage RODI for around $150 for 100GPD
    Add an extra membrane and get like 200GPD $50
     
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    I live in Europe now so don't quote me on this but I heard that Bulk Reef Supply's units are also pretty good.
     
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    Ok I’ll do some looking. Black Friday is coming up so there might be some good deals.
     
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    Marine Depot had a Black Friday deal last year I believe.
    Reduced costs also on all future filter/membrane purchases after initial buy.
     
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    Oh that’s really nice!
     
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    hard water contain excessive amount of calcium and magnesium
     
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    hard water is difficult to use as compared to soft water
     
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    It depends. I live in Rome and we have very hard water (GH = 20 from the tap), with a lot of Ca and Mg.
    As long as the sodium is low, you can find some plants that do well in this water.
    In the past I had good experiences with:
    Hygrophila corymbosa
    Egeria densa
    Myriophyllum aquaticum (but NOT in the same tank of Egeria)
    Najas guadalupensis

    Other people are reporting good experiences with other species of Hygrophila.

    Other stem plants, probably the most part, will require softer water, but if you do not want to buy RO you can search for plants that like hard water.
     
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    Ciao Claudio, I was born in Rome and I live in The Netherlands. Tap water here is hard: kh=gh=10. But what worries me is the 60 ppn Sodium content. The tank has been recently rescaped, so I can't tell yet how plants are doing. I am overdosing K above Na level in the hope that this mitigates the Na impact. Should I keep trying, or with this sodium level it is just a waste of time?

    By the way, I have RO...but it is more work to use it with 50% weekly water changes in my 120l tank...

    Grazie.

    Davide
     
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    Hi,
    yes, sodium is a problem.
    Hardness itself is not a problem, but only if sodium is very low.

    I do not have personal experiences with high sodium contents. There is a report on an Italian website (Acquariofilia Consapevole 3.0) with a list of plants that can thrive in high sodium levels (not a long list indeed), otherwise the only way is to reduce the amount of sodium using RO water.

    The plants that are listed that can adapt to high levels of sodium are: Bacopa monnieri, Hygrophyla corymbosa, Hygrophyla difformis, Crinum calamistratum, Egeria densa, Elodea canadensis, Najas marina, Najas indica, Ceratophyllum demersum, Salvinia sp., Lilaeopsis carolinensis, Sagittaria subulata, Nymphoides aquatica, Cryptocoryne lingua, Cryptocoryne pontederiifolia, Cryptocoryne moehlmannii, Cryptocoryne ciliata, Microsorum pteropus, Samolus valerandi, Vesicularia dubyana, Taxiphyllum barbieri, smaller Anubias.

    I did not tested these, but the font is a reputable one that is growing plants in brackish water tanks with very high levels of sodium.
     
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