cggorman;37766 said:
Right. I understand all that, but if plants tend to deplete potassium and one or both other macro(s) at similar rates, it should be fairly easy to predict dangerous levels of K+ simply by testing for phosphate and/or nitrate.
But that's simply not the case, many aquarist make this assumption and fiddle with the importance of "ratios" based on this poor assumption.
The issue is more about the Liebig's law of the minimum.
there is some interplay when something get really low, then the others are no longer taken up, but by and large, most are fair independent over a wide range.
It's only when moderate to strong limitations occur, that the others are downregulated.
I do not know what a dangerous K+ level is, I'd say in the 250ppm or higher range perhaps. So if you can be alright with 50-100ppm, a pretty large upper target you should not have any related issues for K+.
If you added 10ppm a week, then the max build up would be about 8-9X the weekly dosing, so 100ppm or so with 10% weekly WC's.
Realistically, that's pretty high and the actual value will be much lower.
You can also eye ball.
You need a test kit if you want more control and do not want to do a rare larger % water change, you are not going to get around it with some assumed rates, because they vary a great deal. There are a dozen or more factors that will alter that, so it's not a safe assumption to use.
Assuming the relationship is there, if phos or nitrate are high, then I can assume potassium is also high and back down on all the macros at once. If the uptake rate varies significantly from one macro to the other, then I'll have to get a K+ test...and probably dose N, P, and K separately...
I would.
Get a K+ test kit.
I guess I'm trying to with a sustainable dosing method rather than EI, so I can minimize PWCs on that tank. At the same time, I'm trying to avoid spending the $50 for the LaMott test if it isn't absolutely necessary with that type of dosing method.
(I already read and understand the test calibration instructions, but I still need to purchase the test kits.)
Well, why do any water change at all then?
Or rather, simply do a large say 50% once a month or once every 2 months?
Less work that 10% weekly.............
you can certain fanaggle a decent result with soem tweaking and go 1-2 month water change frequencies, particularly if you use lower light , say 1.5 w/gal of T5, that will go a long way to incorporating the idea of sustainable approaches, but still allow you to use CO2 and slightly faster rates of growth vs say Excel or pure non CO2.
You also have better stability with CO2, so less CO2 is needed and less fish stress, and much easier to dial in.
The lower light also reduces the overall rate of growth easier.
I did once a month water changes on a tank and it did great for 2 years like this, never touched a test kit, had nice plants and never any issues.
If you honestly want to use test kits, buy the good ones, they are well worth the cost for measurement.
Much like Gas tank CO2 vs DIY.......same type of thing.
Much easier to read and use.
Lamotte have also been much more consistent and accurate than the other brands for NO3 and K+. The PO4, try Hach. You are relying very heavily on test kits, so you need to use good ones, this is not bad advice and being cheapo there, but running high light is counter productive.
Put the effort and $ where is matters for your goals.
One assumption that should work okay, in regards to the above, 1:1 N:K ratios are likely going to be fine in most cases for most all plants. Note, this is not NO3: K+, ratios, you'll need to convert that to mass from atoms.
I'd focus on a sustainable approach holistically, not just with nutrients(Light, then CO2, then nutrient lastly, you also have a choice of WHERE they nutrients are, ADA AS or MS would be better alternatives since they do not enter the water column).
So add some MS if you are cheap, think about once a month or once every 1.5-2 months, run the light down to the lower ranges, dose lean, watch the plants, tweak CO2, top instead of uprooting plants, testing can go either way.
Should not require testing or much work and really will work well, use less light/energy/$/fewer water changes/easier CO2 etc, and easy dosing.
Folks often focus too much just on the nutrients/water changes.
Not enough on light/CO2/plant species choice.
So mull that over.
Regards,
Tom Barr