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Discussion in 'Journals' started by SingAlongWithTsing, Apr 6, 2017.

  1. SingAlongWithTsing

    SingAlongWithTsing Junior Poster

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    Minor Update

    The Bad

    Pulled out more leaves with holes. All of these are older leaves. Has to be some type of mobile deficiency right?
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    Not enough light in this corner, gonna try to find a low light plant for this corner to cover up the bacopa colorota in this area
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    Some of the Alternanthere Reineckii Mini is being shaded way too much by the java fern, the Varigated doesn't seem to care. Light is between 31~48 PAR here.
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    Perunesis still a lil wavy
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    The Good
    Staurogyne Repens finally doing good, think I it was under way too much light before, this spot is below 100 PAR vs the 140+ from before
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    The ???
    Leopard Val grew a runner and that runner grew a runner lol. Almost been a month now.
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    Right side of the tank hitting the surface again
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    Lef side progression shot:
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    Rolling with this routine for the next couple of weeks. Gonna see if the higher K helps.
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  2. SingAlongWithTsing

    SingAlongWithTsing Junior Poster

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    Minor update
    (Pic from April 20th, 2018)
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    Something funky going on with the Perunesis. Not sure if the curling is from the recently upped K (weekly is now 40 ppm), some of the leaves were twisted before but not they're just curled so I guess its an improvement? The first 2 set of leaves looking caramelized (dunno how else to describe it) showed up at about 3 weeks ago, same time as the K uppage.
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    Hydrocotyle tripartia japan is doing fine. it's about 16" across now. Might end up using it as a carpet somewhere if it get's any larger lol
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    Hydrocotyle sibthorpioides, I think it's still adjusting to my tank. Haven't seen it change much yet.
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    random notes I jotted down on the 13th

    End of week analysis:
    NO3 ~60 ppm*
    PO4 ~7-8 ppm*
    Ca ~80 ppm
    Mg ~14-16 ppm*
    dkH 10
    dgH 15
    * tested w/ 50% tank 50% distilled otherwise it would of been to high to read.

    Deficiency analysis:
    NO3: no
    PO4: probable, black patches on Java Fern and Windelov Java Fern
    K: probable, holes in various plants but Ludwigia Perunesis leaves are curling (happened with past experiences)

    Ca: no
    Mg: probable if assuming 4:1 Ca: Mg ratio is needed

    Fe: no, 0.1 ppm weekly should be sufficient. no pale leaves
    Mn: possibly mistaken for K deficiency
    B: no, no stem death
    Zn:
    Mo: no, tap should be sufficient @ 0.0018 ppm~0.005 ppm along with weekly 0.0009 ppm
    Ni: no, no necrotic tips on plants
    Cu:
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    the K was bumped up to 40 ppm weekly 3 weeks ago (up from 30 ppm weekly)
    the P was bumped up recently (less than 4 days ago, up from 5 ppm weekly)
    the Macro changes will match what Tom Barr had in his 120

    reason I'm bumping up the P:
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    the cell membrane part caught my eye, weak cell membranes could be what's causing holes in some leaves right?
     
  3. Phishless

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    I get the same look when I miss one that hits the surface.
    Trimming late and re-submerging it looks a little screwed up.

    I also don't have such pronounced veins in the leaves.
     
  4. SingAlongWithTsing

    SingAlongWithTsing Junior Poster

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    haven't updated here in 5ever. hardscape's been rearranged but I'm not sure I like it. tempted to swap back tbh or grab a big ass box of random ghostwood

    September 21st, 2018
    Can never get a good shot when both channels of light are on, everything looks paler in the pic than it actually is
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    morning pre-trim
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    still need more anubias in some spots of the driftwood
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    random nite shots
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    got around to kind of calibrating my NO3 test kit, water report said 17.64 ppm was average but I'm closer to 8-ish?
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    calibrated my spoons too just incase
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    applied all that to the current routine
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    50% of the Perunesis/Glandulosa is still acting up, Ludwigia Nantans / Super Red is starting to act up, AR Varigated still crappy, regular AR Mini is shrinking, and I haven't seen Hygrophila Serphyllum grow since moving to the front right of the tank.
    Dropping to weekly NO3 total of 30 ppm instead of 30 ppm from ferts + w/e was in tap. Might help the faux B deficiency in the Ludwigias, faux K deficiency in the Hygrophila Siamensis, and faux Mg in AR Varigated.
    Hygrophila Serphyllum might just need more light.
    The AR Minis I have no idea what's going on there.

    decided to make this after seeing another user do it Greggz thread
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    wanted to add Vin Kutty's recent experiment to the list but idk what I would list it under
    tom's tank that was used for reference https://www.plantedtank.net/forums/12-tank-journals/149265-120-gallon-ada-like-ditched-dutch-style-new-pics-137-a.html
    dennis' tank https://www.plantedtank.net/forums/12-tank-journals/731794-xzs-3ft-high-tech-low-tech-nano-experiments.html
    Ghanzanfor Ghori's (under the assumption he still uses 13:1.5:13 macros but scaled up)
     
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  5. SingAlongWithTsing

    SingAlongWithTsing Junior Poster

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    welp ADA's NDA has been lifted

    IAPLC 2018
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    //Fauna
    Sahyadria denisonii
    Paracheirodon innesi

    //Substrate
    Black Diamond Blasting Sand

    //Tank Dimensions
    72.5" x 18.5" x 24.5"

    //Filter
    CPR CS102 Overflow Box
    Jebao DCP-8000
    55 Gallon Vision Sump
    200 Micron Filter Sock
    Plastic Pot Scrubbers

    //Light
    3x SBReef Freshwater LED, 8 hrs per day.

    //CO2
    100 cc/min, 8hrs per day.

    //Flora:
    1. Bacopa Caroliniana
    2. Bucephalandra Theia Blue
    3. Hygrophila Serpyllum
    4. Proserpinaca Palustris
    5. Ludwigia Glandulosa
    6. Penthorum Sedoides
    7. Limnophila Aromatica Hippuroides
    8. Limnophila Aromatica
    9. Limnophila Rugosa
    10. Limnophila Aromatica Mini
    11. Bucephalandra Arrogant Blue
    12. Ludwigia Repens
    13. Staurogyne Repens
    14. Anubias MIcro?
    15. Windelov Java Fern
    16. Java Fern
    17. Anubias Golden
    18. Alternanthera Reineckii Varigated
    19. Lobelia Cardinalis Dwarf
    20. Alternanthera Reineckii Mini
    21. Hydrocotyle Tripartita Japan
    22. Vallisneria Spiralis Leopard
     
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  6. burr740

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    Said the same thing on TPT but I'll say it here too. :)
    That's a great result! To place at all is quite an accomplishment. Congratulations!
    I think the big green mass is a little overpowering, but it also kinda makes the look. The darkness underneath adds a lot of mystery, like there's something deep and unknown going on there.
    Its even more impressive considering all the challenges you faced during the last few months. Really nice job!
     
  7. SingAlongWithTsing

    SingAlongWithTsing Junior Poster

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    Welp time to make a huge gamble dropping NO3 to 15 ppm dosed and K to 22.5 ppm dosed. Curious if lower NO3 would provide better growth in my tank. Plus I think I might have a high amount of excess ferts.
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    Toss a water lettuce in the tank, if it grows fast you have an excess amount of ferts somewhere. Got the idea from Vin Kutty.
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    Also swapping to higher concentrated doses due to this post
    I didn't scale down the micros because my water is stupid high in Calcium 70 to 80 ppm and that can affect nutrient update pretty harshly. I'll have to watch for Phosphorus, Manganese, or Born deficiencies in my case since my tank is above 6.8+ pH for at least 13hrs of the day.
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    I also wanted to test out Marian Sterian's fert routine but scaled up (he has soft water), his being 10 ppm NO3, 2 ppm P, 15 ppm K, and 1 ppm Fe weekly.

    Tank before switching routines:
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    I'm expecting the Ludwigia Glandulose/Perunesis to complain a lot and the Mermaid Weed to shrink/switch back to spiney looking leaves. I'm hoping they don't but we'll see.

    If things don't work out I'll swap to 20, 4, 30 for macros and keep Fe at 1.5
     
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    SingAlongWithTsing Junior Poster

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    Found out what was causing my GDA and BGA Blooms (everything got hit), 0.25 ppm ammonia showed up on my test. Probably from overfeeding unless the tank went through a mini cycle a couple of weeks ago because of the rescape.
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    Got some Staurogyne spatulata, Limnophila chinesis, Hyptis lorentziana, and Red Cabomba from Joe
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    Temporary spots. As soon as I grow enough Red Cambomba I'm ripping out some of the L. Repends behind it.
    AR Mini seems to be recovering well after being un-shaded, Ludwigia sp Red, and Hygrophila Serpyllum too.
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    Replanted some Anubias Nana Petite. Not sure if I wanna keep the Ludwigia under that center branch with the Anubias. My barbs don,t seem to realize that they can swim through it.
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    Perunesis/Glandulosa still growing like a monster. Think they're be leaning towards the glass because of the light form windows
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    FTS
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    How does the switching routine goes?
    Did you see any deficiencies/complaints?
     
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    SingAlongWithTsing Junior Poster

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    Just the Perunesis twisting a lil bit, seems to be better this week though. Pretty sure it was micro related though and not macro.

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    Weekly Friday update

    Morning/pre maintenace shot
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    Moving the Perunesis/Glandulosa
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    Buce seems to be doing fine at 300+ PAR, it's throwing out new leaves
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    Moving the Red Cambomba over to Perunesis' old spot. tentative final height will be 7-8."
    Trimmed the Mermaid Weed to dense up the group a bit, final height I want to keep it at will probably be about 8-9."
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    Cleaned up the AR Mini
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    Had to move the Staurogyene Big leaf here, it's old spot had too much flow
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    Most of the bottom leaves of the Limnophila Chinensis melted, dunno if it hates hard water.
    Leaving the Hyptis Lorenzeta here for now.
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    FTS
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    If the AR Mini doesn't stay at it's current size and grows bigger I'll swap out the Red Cambomba and move it to that spot.


    Potential layout:
    Left side
    /Limnophila Hippuroides
    \Mermaid Weed
    \AR Mini or some other type of AR

    Right side
    \Ludwigia Perunesis/Glandulosa
    /Hyptis Lorenzeta?
    /Red Cambomba

    As for ferts, no real change. Just swapping back to 6x 0.25 ppm Fe from the current 3x 0.5 ppm Fe.
     
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    SingAlongWithTsing Junior Poster

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    Still trimming Ludwigia Repens every week
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    Still have some Cyano problems in a few places. I'm thinking it might be a flow related thing, something about having enough flow to blow away organics from a plants boundary layers (got the idea from BRS's video about flow).
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    Some snails have been munching on the Hyptis
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    Still waiting for some explosive growth from these guys. Guess they might still be adjusting to my water unless 165+PAR is gonna force em to carpet instead of grow upwards.
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    Probably gonna trim the Limnophila Hippuroides in 2 more weeks. Some of the stems have grown some side shoots. Only problem is idk where to plant the future trimmings. I do know I want to dense up that Hippuroides bush.
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    Hygrophila Serphyllum creeping along
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    Alternanthera Reineckii Mini still flat and hella red
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    Perunesis still doing good, newer leaves arent as twisting
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    Remember this Anubias golden from 5ever ago? this is the same one that got hit with Anubias rot about a year ago, this only about a 3rd of what I have stashed in my plant pond. Rotted down to a tiny 1" rhizome and now its chugging along just fine.
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    Was deciding whether to use the Anubias Golden or Windelov Java fern.
    Ultimately I went with the Windelov for 2 reasons; 1: I wanted a plant that can trap detritus from flowing into the Staurogyene Repens and 2: Golden's leaf shape and color is way too similar to the repens.
    Gonna see if it'll darken up in a few weeks.
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    FTS
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    SingAlongWithTsing Junior Poster

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    haven't updated in like a month lol

    pre trim although the ludwigia repens did grow it also got loose and started floating up like a mat, think my barbs knocked some of it loose. some of the stems did't had roots reaching down to the sand so I guess it was floating up bit by bit for awhile:

    not gonna lie, I was pretty mad when I realize a couple of weeks of shaping the mound started floating up
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    got fed up with trying to put it back in place so I decided to pull it out and start over, probably a huge ass mistake on my part.
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    gonna try getting the same mound again but with mesh this time
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    post screw up
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    I still have about a 4 gallon bucket and a half of this stuff to sort and go through to see what I can fix / recover
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    At least the buce is doing good
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    Somehow got some Lobelia mini mixed in with Hygrophila Serpyllum
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    Waiting a couple of more weeks before trimming the Hyptis
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    I know I said I was gonna swap the sword and 53b this week but I think I might think about it some more due to how big the sword leaves can get. The leaf is 2" wide at the widest point and 12" from crown to tip so far and from past experiences it can get taller.
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    1.05 ppm Fe uptake this week, at this point I wouldn't be surprised if my weekly uptake is between 1 and 1.1
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    Tempted to try to do a Hygrophila Pinatifida wall or at least on the left behind the Limnophila Hippuroides and the sword. I would need some reliable black suction cups (if you guys have an evilbay item # let me know)


    tap pH is 8.1 this time of year for me.
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    I haven't been dosing MgSO4 so you guys can ignore that part lol. Tap Mg is around 16 ppm, and Ca still around 80
     
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    SingAlongWithTsing Junior Poster

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    Not much to update during the past 2 weeks, just been trying to pin down some micro nutrient problems.

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    I suspect it might be a Molybdenum deficiency; twisted leaves in Perunesis/Glandulosa, leaf tip curl on Hygrophila Siamensis (not pictured), cupping on the Swords. As for the holes in the leaves in of the plants, I think it might be K related or something inhibiting it.

    The Ammonium "excess" problem could be due to the individual osmocote balls which I've manually attached to the roots of some stems. I guess I could always cram more bio media into the sump to see if it also helps with the ammonium.

    or maybe I'm completely wrong and it can be excess Boron. @rajkm maybe you can provide some insight here since you messed with boron more than me lol
    dosing regime hasn't changed yet though, not sure how much I wanna boost Mo by yet
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    Random Ludwigia repens leaf
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    Inconsistent leaf shape on Mermaid weed. I had both forms (spiney and the "fuller" versions) in one scape at one point lol.
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    the more I look at this scape the more I wonder if I have too much red
     
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