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Tranquil Valley // 12g Long Iwagumi

Discussion in 'Aquascaping' started by beedee, Oct 24, 2012.

  1. beedee

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    Here we go with a new project, a Mr. Aqua 12g Long. I picked this tank up from fellow SCAPE member theplantedhero and have been dying to get started on this since the day I brought it home. Over the last week and a half I've been lusting over many 12g's over on TPT and finally began to build mine up this evening. Huge thanks to the two SCAPE members (i'll keep them anonymous) whom I met up with last night for my AquaSoil and my stones!!!

    My goal was to use the entire length of the tank, with the left side being the more dramatic of the two, while having a valley in the middle area. I will be doing a Dry Start, and plan to update this thread weekly. I plan on keeping my light on for 12 hours during the dry start.

    Specs:
    Tank: Mr. Aqua 12g Long
    Substrate: ADA "New" Amazonia
    Hardscape: Seiryu Stone (11)
    Flora: Hemianthus Callitrichoides ‘Cuba’(HC), Eleocharis Parvula (DHG) and Hydrocotyle sp."Japan"
    Fauna: Thinking of 15 Boraras Brigittae or 15 Ember Tetras (something to contrast the green plants)
    CO2: Pressurized, Paintball
    Ferts: Liquid NPK, M + Excel
    Filtration: Eheim 2213 or Fluval 206
    Lighting: AquaticLife 36" T5HO 6500k & Roseate (planning on suspending light, and using layer of window screen to tame the light)

    On to the pix (iPhone with fingerprints galore):
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    As always, feedback is welcome and encouraged, thanks for looking!!!

    Here we go, Day 1 of the dry start. I decided not to use hydro japan, and used 4 pots of HC and 4 pots of DHG. Once it floods and cycles, I'll trim the DHG accordingly.
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    Day 8 update
    As expected, not too much to report, i can see the roots of the HC starting to dig into the substrate as well as fresh tiny leaflets. There is a tiny bit of yellowing of some of the HC. The DHG has few random new blades popping up, and a few blades are yellowing. So far, things are moving along as expected. Hoping to see some better HC crawling this week!
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    Day 15 update
    I trimmed down the DHG big time to further help encourage it to spread. It is doing a great job with new blades popping up randomly throughout the tank. The HC is also doing well, crawling like a baby, and it continues to root itself deeper and deeper. :)
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    Looking from the right side down to the left
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    Looking from the left side down to the right
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  2. Tom Barr

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    I really like this rock display, it's well done.
    I hope you use belem hair grass as it will be shorter and not cover the rocks very much.

    Make sure the HC is well grown in and then flood, then day 70-90% water changes every 2-3 days. Really make sure the CO2 is optimal.
     
  3. beedee

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    Thanks Tom, that means alot to me coming from you! I really appreciate the feedback and thank you for the heads up on the water changes.

    I'm looking to do the DSM for about 2 months(depending on the growth) or so to ensure the plants are well rooted. Once the DHG grows in, my plan is to keep it trimmed nice and low to keep the perspective of the rock work in order.
     
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    Trimming HC is easier if the HC mat grows nice and tight.
    Look around on the web for nice very dense tight packed HC, that is what you want to see, looser raggy stuff is bad, poorly rooted= bad, it should easily get 1-1.5" deep without pulling up at all.

    DIY CO2 will be your Achilles heel.
     
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    I also like it. Rocks look very good.
     
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    I agree with Tom. Rocks look amazing. I think I would let the HC grow in front of large rock on the left side, and the small on on the right side.

    You should really invest in pressurized CO2. You can get a Milwakee regulater for $80 or so online. A 5# tank will run you about $60. The Milwakee reg is single stage, so you will have to be weary of the end of tank dump into the tank. That being said, on a 20 gallon a 5# will last you a while. Only when you see it getting low will you need to refill. DON'T WAIT FOR IT TO EMPTY!!!

    Please post pics with the progress...
     
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    thanks guys. i do agree that pressurized is the way to go, i will step up to that when it comes time to flood.
    does my 12 hour photo period for a dry start seem ok to you guys?
     
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    This is a great looking scape. I really can't wait to see your progress with it.
     
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    This is a good thread for me as I know nothing about DSM. I don't see why a 12 hour pp will hurt it.
     
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    Added a Day 8 picture and update to the first post.
     
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    I have to say i am incredibly jealous of the rocks you have! I am really loving your tank it really should come along nice. I wish i had known i was doing this tank when i ordered my serioyu stone, i would have ordered 20lbs instead of 10. Your scape is really great amd i like your plant selection.

    Just stay patient with the dry start. It may grow a little slow at first but once it gets going it seems to multiply exponentionaly. I have been tempted by some good shrimp deals to flood my tank, but i have put to much time into it to cut corners now. We will have 2 truelly splendid 12 longs brother!

    Best of luck
     
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    ^ thanks man!

    Quick question, I noticed some of my DHG is browning, I have one bunch that has nearly browned itself completely out (top back right corner). I do notice some fresh sprouts in the very center of it though, should I trim down the brown pieces in the hopes of it encouraging new runners? Btw, I notice that there are fresh new blades popping up randomly every morning!

    The soil is plenty moist, and the humidity is consistent, I am thinking that because that area is basically the deepest/highest point of substrate, maybe it kind of dried out midway through? I am trying to be careful not to over do the misting, and have switched it up to every other day this week. Also, I do let it breathe by peeling the plastic wrap back and leave it that way for about 15 minutes each day.
     
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    Yes I would trim off the dying growth. This will allow the plants to put more energy into growing new runners instead of trying to fix the dying ones.

    As far as why it is dying I am not really sure. I also have trouble keeping the higher elevations moist enough. But on the same hand, atleast with hc, browing can be from over watering. I only add water until it is 1" from the top of the substrate once a week. I do not mist at all because I feel the hc does worse when to wet. I leave both front corners of my saran wrap open at all times. I believe my technique has worked well for me so far. I would rather have slower growth than deal with mold and algae.

    I have never grown dhg before though so that is just speculation on my part. On a side note I would love to buy some off of you in the future if you get it growing well. Best of luck with this. I'll give it a second thought tomorrow when I am not so tired.
     
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    Thanks ForumSnow.

    I updated the first post with new pictures as well as a written update.
     
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    Day 21 update...
    More HC crawling, more DHG sprouting. :)
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    Looking good! I love these little tanks. I've seen one in person, and it is very cool looking!
     
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    Later if you chose, you can moss the rocks entirely with say Fissidens by using a blender and water with a little ferts and then paint brush it on the rocks with another DSM, but it only takes about 2 weeks or moist cooler temps to get the moss to attach.
     
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    Thanks Tom, I was thinking of some Mini Pelia or FF on the large rock on the left side. On the lower front, there is a ledge that would be perfect for a little patch of it. It is hard to see that ledge that I'm referring to in my pictures.

    I'm looking for fauna suggestions from you guys.

    I'm thinking of 25 Rasbora Maculata, they appear a little more vibrant than the Chili Rasboras. I'm definitely wanting something in the orange/red color spectrum. I thought Ember Tetra's would be cool, but may be a tad on the larger side of things.

    Thoughts?

    Here is a pic of the Rasbora Maculata.
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    Anyone have thoughts on the fauna I listed above?

    Anyhow, here is an update.

    Day 25ish?

    Still seeing nice crawling by the HC and the DHG is responding well to the recent trimming. I'm thinking of flooding the tank next week. Today I picked up an eheim 2213 and plumbed it all, (can see the stock pipes on left side). I am using one of those SS Mesh Pre-Filters on the intake instead of the standard green one. I don't have any plans at the moment to do glass lily's, I might take a stab at som DIY acrylic ones though. I also added 3 layers of window screen between my bulbs and splash-guard in my light to tame it, it really did make a difference! Last night I picked up a 20oz paintball tank and am waiting for my ASA Valve/NeedleValve/O-Ring/Diffuser kit to arrive...holiday messed that up, should be back in my office on Monday, and it should be there. Once I get that all set up I'll fill the tank, I was going to try to do a two month dry start, but I'm too impatient, and a well respected fellow TPT'er encouraged me to fill it sooner than later. Forgot to mention I also rotated the rock on the back right, I feel like this flows better with the rest of the scape.

    iPhone 4 pic...
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    I agree with Tom about the moss. I recently got some plants from him and there was a little ball of fiss in there, I stuck it in some of the rock cracks and i think it looks great. Do not be impatient with filling it though. I went 2 months i think and it was worth every day. The more that is filled in and really rooted the better. Even after all that time a few peices still floated on me.

    I just flooded the tank last week and am doing 80% water changes every day or every other day. I just set up a danner mag 350 with fractioning impeller. I have it set up on it's own closed looped t'd to a loc line in each corner. I have almost 6 feet of head though so i think the danner combined with the 2213 is giving me pretty good flow right now. Co2 is absolutely cranked and i would highly highly recomend the danner pump. It is doing a much better job than the eheim 1103 needlewheel i have on my 20 long, and even with 6 feet of head still provides a good deal of flow.

    As far as output i am planning on doing a 30" acrylic spraybar when i have time to drill the holes. Tapplastic sells the acrylic tubes in many sizes and is pretty cheap. All you need is a heat gun and patience :) haha

    Best of luck to you, i still really like your tank.
     
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