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  1. Sangeeth Ramanunni

    Sangeeth Ramanunni Junior Poster

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    My tank is pathetic. Its a 24G tank with 75 W Led , 4bps Pressurized CO2, Eheim Liberty 130 + Boyu IPF 400L/Hr for filteration and nutrient rich Genesis soil.


    I really struggled in the beginin to get steady Co2 and light to reduce the algae. Now my plants look pathetic. I am dosing EI. My dosing goes like this


    Kno3 1/ 8 Tsp X 3 times a week


    KH2PO4 1/64 tsp x3 times a week


    CSMB 1/32 tsp X 3 times a week.


    Some plants were stunt, so , assuming it was because of micro toxication, I reduced CSMB to 1/64 tspX3 times a week with no positive results.


    Problems.


    Ludwigia mini Super red: Small leaves, faded color, thin stems


    Ammania Sp. Bonsai. Not growing above a level. Lower leaves getting decayed. Every 2 weeks, I have to cut the top and replant.


    Sagitaria dwarf: Just the same as they were planted 2 months ago. no runners.


    AR Burgundy: Same as Ammania Bonsai.


    Java fern, WIndelov fern and needle fern: No growth.. Some are shrinking and a lot of black dots. I had to take them out twice to give H2O2 treatment o get rid of BBA.


    Please check the pics. I am being advised to add MgSO4 and Ca SO4. I am depending on rotalabutterfly.com calculator to decide my dosage. Does anyone else think its Mg or Ca defficiency? If so, what should be my dosage. The rotalabutterfly calculator is advising a dosage that should be done thrice a week. But most people asks me to use it while Water changes only. I know this question is not complete but I am not good with words. I am looking forward to having some response soon and I ll clarify anything if there are questions





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    ​​ Believe me there is Ludwigia mini Super red


    Ammania bonsai behind it. On the left side you can see Ammania Sulawesi. Shrunk and stunt





    ​ Ammania gracilis.... Still at its emersed form even after 1 month


    ​ Sagitaria. Just as they were when they were planted 2 months before


    ferns so sad​ ​


     
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  2. Sangeeth Ramanunni

    Sangeeth Ramanunni Junior Poster

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    Forgot to mention that KH2PO4 also is added.. 1/64 tsp x 3 a week
     
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    pics not working?
     
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    Yeah the pics arent showing up.


    Do you know the GH of your water? The GH is made up of Ca and Mg, so knowing that will help determine if you need to add more. Also if you are using municipal tap water, should be able to google your city or town's water quality report and see about how much of each one it has.


    Having said that, unless the gh is already very high, it usually doesnt hurt anything to add a little more just to cover this base.


    Otherwise your dosing seems OK


    If the black dots on the Java Ferns are on the underside of the leaves, that's natural reproductive spores, from which new babies will emerge.


    What kind of light exactly, brand/model etc?


    How are you diffusing the CO2? What time does it come on and go off?


    See if you can fix the pictures. Its hard to say much without them
     
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    Thanks a lot for responding. I really have no idead whats happening with the pictures. It took me more than an hr to upload them even after reducing the file size.


    burr740 I have not yet tested GH yet.


    1)Black dots are not only on the underside of the ferns. They are all over it.


    2) Light is custom made LED. I am sure the light is not low. Recently I had to play with light strength and photo period to get rid of continuous attack of algae. LED strips are of SMD 2358 and there are 4 strips of them , each equivalent to my tank in length. Earlier the light was too much as a result of which algae bloomed and the background plant I had then were not growing tall. The maker of the light said the maximum wattage is 96 W.


    One thing I must mention here that when I was dosing a branded fert, Ludwigia mini was showing good colors. They faded after EI dosing started. I assumed its the lack of Mg or Ca because those are the only thing I haven't added yet.


    3) CO2 is diffused through an atomizer which is kept right below my HOB filter. I have a drop checker which turns yellow at the peak of CO2 supply and turns green hours after the solenoid is switched off. Earlier when I was experimenting with CO2, I tried up to 5bps as a result of which my cardinal tetras began to struggle for air and their colors went pale. Now I am running the system with 4 bps. If I switch the filters off for a while, I can see the pearling. Noe that I increased the flow by adding Boyu filter, the pearls formed vanish quickly.


    I have set my timers like
     
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    Ammania gracilis.... Still at its emersed form even after 1 month

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    I never had to trim these guys even after a month of planting

    20170429_220829.jpg
     
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    Sagitaria looking healthy but not spreading at all

    20170429_220824.jpg
     
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    If things were doing well with the name brand fert, perhaps now you have too much of something?


    The tank is sparsely planted with mostly non-demanding plants. And considering the Aquasoil-type substrate you shouldnt need a whole lot in the way of ferts to begin with,


    But you could try adding a little Ca and Mg just to check that particular box. Something like 10-15 ppm Ca and 2-3 ppm Mg on water change day. That'll raise your GH roughly 1 degree, double those amounts for 2 degrees, etc.


    Unless the GH is sky high to begin with, raising it a degree or two isnt going to hurt anything.


    If that doesnt help you could just stop dosing for a week or two and see what happens. That'd be my next move.
     
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    The calculator probably defaults to 3x week when "Calculating for" EI.


    Use "Dose to reach a target" and enter the ppm you want. It'll tell you how much to add


    You can dose it all at once, or divide up into multiple doses. Total for the week (or between water changes) is all that really matters for these two.


    Like I said above, 10-15 ppm Ca and 2-3 ppm Mg would be a good start, total for the week. Maybe more but it would help if you knew how much you had in the tap to begin with. In the meantime I wouldnt get too crazy with it.


    Have you tried googling your municipality's water quality report? Not sure how that works in other countries, works in the US though.
     
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    I am using well water. I can't / don't need to rely on the water supplying authorities and thats a blessing. So what all should we test the well water for?
     
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    The more you know about your water the better, I would at least test the GH and KH, the PH, and nitrates and phosphates


    GH/KH would be a good place to start. Well water can be extremely hard in some places.
     
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    Hi, I got my well water tested. Here are the measurements.


    PH 6


    KH 1


    GH 1


    NITRATE 5 PPM.


    So it looks like GH is low. I haven't yet got CaSO4. IS IT Ok to begin with MgSO4 only?
     
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    GH is made up from both Ca and Mg. The problem with only knowing the dGH value, is it doesnt tell you how much of each one there is. It could be all one thing, or the other.


    However, the odds are in your favor that there's usually more Ca than Mg. So you should be fine adding 2-3, maybe 5 ppm Mg before you get the Ca,


    But if that 1 is accurate, it'll be a good idea to add both when you can.


    Something like 30 ppm Ca and 5 ppm Mg would be a good start (1x week after water change). That''ll raise the total dGH about 2 degrees.


    Full EI calls for about 5 dGH. So you could double those amounts for 4, plus the 1 you have already. I doubt you really need that much but it wont hurt anything.
     
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    calculator in rotalabutterfly suggests these.


    Mg 5ppm gives 1. 15 dgh


    So to achieve a dgh of 3. 85 from calcium sulphate, it has to be dosed in a way so as to achieve 27. 5 ppm of Ca.
     
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    Right, so 30 ppm Ca and 5 ppm Mg, 1x week at water change should be a good level to start with.


    In this case, ignore the notation at the bottom that says 2-4 times a week. That's a default suggestion for EI, it has nothing to do with the values rendered. Just dose these two once a week after the water change.


    If you want to split it up into multiple doses thats fine too, divide the totals (30 and 5) by how many times you want to dose between water changes. Most folks dose these two compounds 1 x week but it really doesnt matter either way
     
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