George Farmer;20180 said:
Thanks, Tom.
I'd have liked to see Walmsley read this, but even if he did, I doubt it would change his mind.
And you would be correct, however, you are not really interested in changing his mind. Honestly, are you at this point?
The way to do this and approach it as with most naysayers, is continued pounding for the truth, not at a personal level, as was the case with several arguments with Jeff.
Rather, the idea itself.
Attack that.
This does not matter if you hate the person or they are you best buddy.
You still go after it hard.
I listed several things above, the burden of proof is not on me, I already know and have tested and have examples to show that it does not help at any level to set up and maintain a planted tank to the highest levels as a scaper, a farmer/grow out, variety of species(I've grown well over 300 species) or just general ease and lower tech methods.
If I can do it without, virtually every single who's who of the aquascaping world can as well, I have intimate and professional academic and research background on this specific area, wetland sediments/soils, what are the odds, the likelyhood, that Jeff knows some secret the rest of us do not?
Now any person of reason viewing the debate can easily decide this one.
My pandering will not convince folks, they are the only ones that can change their own minds, not me. They do so of their own free will.
As with this approach, some folks will not, they can chose to ignore the facts and go with belief and perception. Not my crowd though
I'm not out to convince someone who decides to make a conclusion, then goes about trying to find facts after. You observe, you ask a question, you try and falsify it(which every scaper and myself, as well as researchers and Tropica already have for decades), then use a treatments to see what results you get, then you interpret and discuss the results. Finally you try and make a conclusion.
The question I ask: does the data support their conclusions?
This is a basic question and critque we use in research and (peer)reviews of papers.
Nothing has shown this here. Nothing.
I hear the same old tired arguments put forth when Dupla marketed this back in the 1980's, not one new argument, not one new support, not one piece of research evidence has come forth since.
I can make the same Argument as Jeff or Dupla etc to sell diet pills, or Hydrilla virility organ enhancement pills:
RightFoods Hydrilla 60 Food Capsules
15$ for 60 little old pills, they are making out.
Also, ask Jeff how many heating cables he's made. I've made 4 in the past and recently 3 more.
You'll note, I do answer most every question and in full detail.
Of course I know the topic and have done my homework, Jeff's all talk and bully at that. Anyone that needs to use the law to bully someone in an argument is dirt in my book. Stay clear. Seems like he's the UK's version of Novak. Such behavior alienates the hobby and that person.
I'd rather stay here so not to incite another lawsuit threat rather than PFK or AE's site. Jeff is welcomed to try and use the law here to bully me in the USA.
You are welcomed to use what's been written above to most counter views.
However, Jeff's obviously got in for folks, so be careful, I'd not really even bother debating.
I'd just go about showing in separate debate and beat the living bejesus out of the logic and arguement.
Note: you and UKAPS are lot more people and a lot more vocal than one person and you have far more examples to prove him wrong.
Regards,
Tom Barr