Solenoid Questions

[Lost Csr]

Have a few questions regarding Solenoids that can be use with 230v/50Hz.

I hope this will also help people who are in Europe with ordering the right Solenoid from Burkert.

First question
Material 00463939
Uses a orifice size: 02,0: 5/64
Is it alright to use a solenoid with orifice size: 02,4: 3/32?

If the answer is yes. Then the material we can use here in Europe is
Material 00462501

If the answer is no. Then the only other solenoid is the 134110.
Problem is that it has port connections G 1/8 thread.

I am rather new to this so anyone want to help out. Thanks
Which would be the correct parts to be used for both side of the solenoid.

Male NPT to Male ISO Tapered Thread (RT)
B-2-HN-2RT

Link
http://www.swagelok.com/search/find_products_home.aspx?part=B-2-HN-2RT&item=

Male NPT to Male ISO Parallel Thread (RS)
B-2-HN-2RS

Link
http://www.swagelok.com/search/find_products_home.aspx?part=B-2-HN-2RS&item=

 

[Lost Csr]

Just to confirm, The Engineer at Burkert said that these the parts can be use in Europe.
This is a SS with FKM seal (viton). If you want Brass your going to have to ask them for the number.

Material [HASHTAG]#00462501[/HASHTAG]

Description 2/2-WAY MINI-SOLENOID VALVE, DIR. ACTING
Mat description: 6011-A02,4FFVANM81-2-240/56-04* PD02
type: TYP_0009 6011
circuit function: WW A NC
orifice size N 02,4 : 3/32
seal material: DWST FFFKM
body material: WKST VA SS
port connection: LTA NM81 NPT1/8
coil size: 2 0,79 INCH
Voltage: 240V
frequency: 50-60Hz
power consumption: 4W
Var1: PD02 UR (UL-RECOGNIZED)/CSA-APPROVAL

Cable plug
Material [HASHTAG]#008410[/HASHTAG]

 

[Matt F.]

That's one thing Left C and I haven't delved into...international (European) equivalents and part numbers. You're on the new frontier, and with your research, you can help the rest of the world! Keep us posted.

I'd suggest you keep in close contact with your Burkert rep. They have all the knowledge you need. Give them our part numbers and see if they can find the equivalent.

 

[fongalv]

Please count me in for the 240vac solenoid/information on source!

I just managed to convert the cga reg I got from oldpunk to use on my bsp tank, now all I need is a npt port 240vac solenoid.

My local burkert distributor stopped replying to my email after she realized I only needed one unit of the rarely used combination of npt and 240vac...

 

[Lost Csr]

The solenoid with the closest specs to the one used in the States is 134110. But you have to get a G to NPT thread adapter. I listed some parts above but I am not sure which would work. They are 3-4 bucks per part. You would need two on each side of the solenoid.

Best bet is the 462501. The Burkert engineer said it can be take up to 58PSI.

I guess I will be the first to test this solenoid out.

 

[fongalv]

I'm afraid all these components are confusing me. If you are using a standard european tank and regulator, can't you simply get the 6011 burkert(for 1/8" threads) with the European type thread? From my understanding, the complicated connections only come in when you have different size threaded components ie. Reg thread size is different from solenoid or metering valve.

For my case, the only complications I'm facing is that I'm on a totally npt threaded regulator and metering valve, hence the need to get a npt solenoid but still running on local 240vac. While I managed to solve the cga-bsp tank connection, I can't just swap in any of the locally available solenoids because they are all euro threaded type unless I want to involve those complicated connectors. Therefore I would rather opt for a npt noid for a direct pnp into my existing reg, instead of getting a local threaded noid and then source adapters seperately if I were to order a new one direct from burkert, who have all the variants of thread types and sizes for the same model(6011 being one of the favourites here).

I too am here to learn so do feel free to correct any wrong assumptions I might have made.

 

[Lost Csr]

Fongalv

You can use the above model in my 2nd post. (00462501)

It is made with NPT1/8 thread. According to the Burkert engineer he said and I will quote him.
"462501 has 240V/ 50/60 Hz. …. Which is good up to 58 psi."
The only diffence in this part and the 00463939 is that the orifice size is different.

Hope this helps. If anyone else wants to chime in on any thoughts, please do.

I too am using a American regulator with NPT parts. European DSR cost way to much and are hard to find.

To not get confused with parts. Both solenoids are good.
If you really want one that has the same specs as the ones, Left C and Matt F use then (134110) but like I said you would have to get 2 extra swagelok parts.

 

[GillesF]

Hey Lost Csr

I'm also thinking of replacing my solenoid by a good brand (e.g. Burkert). Do they ship internationally or is it the same problem as the needle valves?
NPT to G adapters are no problem for me as I have to order some parts from swagelok anyway ...

 

[Left C]

Burkert has dealers all over the world. http://burkert.com/

 

[Left C]

... Which would be the correct parts to be used for both side of the solenoid?

Brass Pipe Fitting, Hex Nipple, 1/8 in. Male NPT x 1/8 in. Male ISO Tapered Thread
B-2-HN-2RT

Link
http://www.swagelok.com/search/find_products_home.aspx?part=B-2-HN-2RT&item=

Brass Pipe Fitting, Hex Nipple, 1/8 in. Male NPT x 1/8 in. Male ISO Parallel Thread, Straight Shoulder
B-2-HN-2RS

Link
http://www.swagelok.com/search/find_products_home.aspx?part=B-2-HN-2RS&item=

I would use the B-2-HN-2RS fitting with the shoulder on both sides of the G 1/8 solenoid along with a lock washer on each side too. Plus Teflon tape or pipe dope too. Since the threads are straight and not tapered, the lock washers will butt up against both the solenoid and the bolts' shoulders forming a tight assembly. The tape or pipe dope forms a seal so that CO2 can't escape.

 

[Lost Csr]

Thanks Left C.
I will look up the washers a little bit later. If you know off the top of your head which would work. please pm me.

I would like to make a new thread with spec parts and material numbers.
Change the name of it to Burkert solenoid for Euro use. Hopefully it can be made into a sticky.



GillesF. You can use the part I mentioned above with NPT thread it is workable.

 

[Left C]

It would be better if you could ask someone that really knows about those Swagelok fittings. My reply may or may not be correct. It is based on what I would try based on my limited knowledge of these fittings. I'm sure that I will not get a chance to try those fittings.

You could use two 1/8" ID lock washers in either of these designs. I don't know which one would work best.

 

[Lost Csr]

I will send an email to the Swagelok rep here in Spain and see what they suggest.

I will be using the NPT solenoid that Burkert suggested for my 1st setup. I might order the G-thread solenoid soon to test it out.

 

[Left C]

Sounds good! Good luck!!!

 

[GillesF]

I will send an email to the Swagelok rep here in Spain and see what they suggest.

I will be using the NPT solenoid that Burkert suggested for my 1st setup. I might order the G-thread solenoid soon to test it out.

Can you tell me the article number of the solenoids? And how much do they charge for them (including shipping)? I'm interested in two

Thanks

*edit* nvm found the article numbers in this thread.

 

[Jim Miller]

If you can find the manufacturer's data sheet for the solenoid you may find they can be run at much lower power using DC.

Jim