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Roots only eh???

Discussion in 'CO2 Enrichment' started by geministudios54, Feb 10, 2009.

  1. geministudios54

    geministudios54 Junior Poster

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    and I quote>>>



    "TOTAL"LY satisfied with this product March 14, 2008
    Reviewer: Anonymous person from Sacramento, CA United States
    I have had live plants for 40 years (and been moderately successful). While placing an order via the phone, the rep told me about a "guaranteed" product, their substrate fert pellets. He told me to use them with NO liquid ferts, and he would guarantee the success of my plants, or my money back. NOW, I've been around the block and heard and seen it all...so, I thought $11.99 was worth a try. All I can say is this: THIS PRODUCT WORKS ! Since using the pellets, I have ZERO algae, I use NO liquid ferts, and my plants have NEVER shown such prolific growth and beautifull coloration. I was skeptical, but, when I find a product that truly lives up to it's guarantee, I am compelled to take the time to give it's fair ado...In all my years growning aquarium plants, I never realized the importance of feeding the plants at the roots. Liquid ferts do nothing but cause algae and never reach the roots where the nutrients are needed

    ----So, according to the above statement, it looks like water column ferts are completely redundent.--how can this be!!!???

    Please help clarify---thanx
     
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    Perhaps some of the pellets dissolve and go into the water column. That would be my guess.
     
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    Pfertz root tabs? They are $11.99.
     
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    SuperColey1 Guru Class Expert

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    My Ferns and Anubias will be forever grateful for this 'new miracle' product :rolleyes:

    Seeing as they are 60% of my plant mass and well away from the substrate :D

    AC
     
  5. geministudios54

    geministudios54 Junior Poster

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    ----Just wanted to know exactly what you're referring to? What 'miracle product' are you talking about?
     
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    Who's selling something here??? ;)

    Who is this person from Sacramento?
    It ain't me or anyone in our clubs:)

    Regards,
    Tom Barr
     
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    This ad appeals to the sense of fair play and after all, it's just 11.99$:) It's selling something, not giving you any fact. Are you offended by ads selling diet pills or homeopathic remedies that don't work either as claimed??????????? Anyone think that this hobby is immune from this type of stuff and policed by the consumer protection division???

    Use Common sense.


    This, frankly, is Horse manure. Aquatic plants take up nutrients from either location, they are opportunistic, even terrestrial plants do this when we use fertigation sprays.

    I add liquid ferts and have no algae, so this is plainly not the reason(liquid ferts) for the issue with algae, it must be someone other factor, it CANNOT be liquid ferts in and of themselves.

    If liquid ferts do nothing but induce algae, where is everyone's algae covered tanks? Common sense, you know this anecdotal BS myth making fear based ad is after your 11.99$, not to educate you.

    The part that bugs me is that folks believe the marketing BS.
    They seem to think it is the same level as research, common sense, and things you can clearly test and see yourself that is false.

    Why place "marketing baloney" on par with logic and researched facts?
    Folks do this with ADA all the time.

    Watch and see what Amano brings to each talk/presentation he does, about 2-3 pallets, he's doing it to sell ADA, to sell himself and his pictures/art.

    I'm not saying that root tabs are bad, or not useful, I am saying that using sediment based ferts + water column ferts is a wise move. They complement, not antagonize the other.

    If you skip/forget to dose the water column/feed fish etc, then you have a back up, likewise, if you add water column ferts, you extend the lifetime of the sediment ferts. Taken together, they add back up for dosing.
    Dosing is only 1/3 of growing plants, CO2/light and pruning etc are larger factors.

    The issue here and on many forums is that blow hards know nothings try to claim that this is somehow a cure for algae, then people listen and think why not for a few$$$.

    This does not cure algae.
    If you did have not enough nutrients, adding these might help.
    But where's the control?

    All you are comparing are two tanks, one without much nutrients and the other with. Of course you should see more growth in any tank with more nutrients if the other tank was nutrient limited.

    Adding Jobes sticks, which are 1.19$, is 10X cheaper and can make the same claims if not more. Or osmocoat etc........also far cheaper............and have both been used quite a bit in the past.

    Adding sediment ferts is easy, you do it and you do not have to mess with it for a long time, so it is convenient. But we feed fish also, not that hard to add liquid ferts as well. Most folks add some form or another of sediment ferts and liquid ferts anyway.

    So there's none of this "either or" business going on anyway.
    Fish add waste to the water column and that's enough in most tanks to supply algae with all they need.

    Fish only aquariums get algae too and they do not add any plant ferts at all.

    Regards,
    Tom Barr
     
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    Aquariumplants . com is full of it. It's a shame to see that type of marketing perpetuate the myths that in the long run only hurt the hobbyiest. It would be just as powerful an add if they promoted the balance of root and w/c nutrients, and not thrown in the b/s scare tacticts. Which is ironic since they also sell liquid / dry nutrients that are intended for water column dosing.
     
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    It is not clear to me who and what company is saying what, not that I really care either................I just look at what quote was stated here.

    Those diet pills have guarantees also. Most never ask and they tend to give you a hard time and it's not worth the few $ to go after them over it.
    I support most plant vendors, even ones that are bit less than perfect.

    The advice obviously conflicts with their claims and marketing of other products:p
    I think if you go that route, at least apply a consistent theory.

    Also, if the aquarist has an issue with one solution, then they might need some other product you sell. So then you can sell them that also. And you can also sell them both water and sediment ferts if you know a bit more.
    You can sell both items well and not sound so ironic.

    You cannot claim one thing and then claim and support another, that's not just bad marketing, it's bad business and logic.

    Regards,
    Tom Barr
     
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