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Redoing the 60p non CO2 ADA

Discussion in 'Aquascaping' started by Tom Barr, Dec 23, 2011.

  1. Tom Barr

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    Removed all the plants, wood and cleaned the tank good. Have a few ideas of where I'd like to go with the next design.
    Nice to have a nice clean tank to work with.

    I have a Mame silent overflow all glass overflow and return.
    The return is a little small, but I'll see how it does.

    I also still have the eshoppes nano return, but ack...the sucker is louder than most anything else in the entire house.
    The Mame is a decent trade off I think.

    I'll mull through the wood and see what I have to work with.
    1. Caves for the plecos........out of nice manzy, not the bamboo
    2. I want an island hammok type of emergent growth with a perimeter of roughly 2"-3" around all sides.
    3. I will have pennywort grow and dangle off the rear.
    4. The design is such that it will help keep the tank cleaner and plants in better shape over the long term.
    5. Still thinking about some decent fish to go with this tank. Amano shrimp might be added.
    6. I have some zebra plecos and a mango that I've had for some years. They will stay.
     
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    Nice Tom can't wait to see pictures! Bet those zebras are nice huh...
     
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    Zebra plecos are boring, all they do is hide, grow very slowly and lay around.
     
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    Yep, all Hypan keepers say the same thing. You should put Peckotia compta (Leopard Frog) plecos in there instead. Much more interesting, breed and grow faster so would still be a great revenue stream.
     
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    I had 12 in my 60 cube.
    They are at a client's now. Nice fish, but they got pretty aggressive towards each other. Same with the Mangos.
    I've rarely seen any aggression btw zebras.

    Still toying with the idea of a few SA puffers. I love puffers, I could also get by with a Figure 8.

    Take care of any low grade shrimp or snails also.
     
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    My L201's and L340 scrap like you wouldn't believe, but I don't have any experience with H. zebra. And the Mangoes are Baryancistrus, which are reputed to be one of the more aggressive types, but once again, I've never had any grow to maturity, so I can't speak long term. Hope to change that soon.

    I think most plecos get pretty aggressive, even my BNP's if they are given breeding territories, which most of your tanks will have, given the scaping and the natural caves you created.
     
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    Mangos are only mean to one another, they are fairly mellow and docile to other fish.
    Pondering some wood pieces still for the new design.
     
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    I think most plecos are only aggressive to other bottom dwellers, with the exceptions being Pterygoplichthys and Hypostomus species, which seem to attack anything in their way, even when I had a 9" Chocolate Cichlid, especially if food was around. :D
     
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    Took awhile to scrap off the lime and other junk.

    I have 4 different sets of wood to try out, but I'm 60-70% leaning one way.
    You can see the Mame prefilter on the back corner.
    The eshoppes prefilter and the lily pipe will be removed.
     
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    Are you planning to use the same sand or swapping it out?
     
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    Same sand

    New wood:
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    Mesh to make the planting scaffolding

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    Wow, that's a crazy piece of wood. It's going to look great in that tank.
     
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    I have plenty of wood, but finding something that fits my idea is another matter, I went through maybe 6 pallet's worth of wood, but this one stood out amongst the lesser pieces.

    The stainless mesh will help greatly in the design and planting.
     
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    How do you use the mesh?
     
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    As seen on the wood and in the tank, you do not see it in the tank because it is flush with the surface of the water and the rim on the test tank.
    I took the wood out to show the mesh in a more "viewable perspective".

    Toss moss(most any type, or a livewort, or pennywort, any creeping type of aquatic plant, and it'll grow fine(provided there are ample ferts in the tank).
    Since I have a wet/dry filter, the water level change due to evaporation are non applicable.

    So the water level is extremely stable and thus the roots simple sit right on the mesh and grow through it.
    If I need to take the plants out and clean the tank or other things in the initial 1-2 months, this makes it easy. I can also form the mesh into many different shapes and moss those shapes to add more dimension to the flat troft where the plants will grow, but I'll do this mostly with the plants themselves using different species.

    I've tried to tell folks to simply cut mesh and make a dome and moss that, then slap it on a nice thick tree base for a moss tree, this looks nice and is much easier than trying many small branches with moss and finding the perfect bonsai tree.

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    Got the Mame working last night, it's very very quiet. Cool and the flow on the pump is matched for the filter/overflow combo............surprisingly.
    I'm surprised I did not break the thing. I need to add a larger hole in the stand to accommodate the tubing and make it more flush still.

    I'm pleased with it.
     
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    I've learned to like this aspect of using sumps. Interesting idea with the mesh though. I'm curious about the lighting below it though. How thick do you plan to let things grow over the mesh?
     
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    Thick as they want, the leaves will self limit and the roots do not care. Outside of the blockage, penny wort can wander down the back and sides.


    I'm not really trying to grow plants under the mat.
     
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    Wood goes in finally today.
     
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    Tom that piece of wood is friggin crazy man! :) It will be interesting to see the plants growing over. I had a 10 once with broad leaf ludwigia growing over as well...very nice!
     
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