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  1. Greggz

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    Two things. Plant density needs to be managed, and your post demonstrates that. Great topic to be further discussed.

    And your comments on Phish..........you are getting soft my friend!

    Rainbows on the way soon..........................
     
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    Good Evening All:
    Pulled all ranunculus from the tank this eve, retained about 40 nodes, rest(120) to the trash.
    Talk about a stinking plant when runners go south!

    Neglect on my part, nothing extreme but it needs attention and a Sunday WC for sure.

    Trimming lots this eve but I know it won't be enough.
    Another sale thread in the making.

    Night All: back to trimming!
     
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    Some immediate results this am. No surface film today! :D
    The ranunculus had made so many runners it got out of hand.
    A leaf would ease it's way up between other plants, top would grow out over a week.
    Shading then rots everything under this large leaf that struggled to reach through another plant, including the runners.
    With all of this material gone surface film did not return today.

    1st This lack of maintenance on my part usually creates big wads of clado that is very easily removed.
    2nd If this occurs closer to the surface hair algae starts and will make a fine ball of slimy shitake. Toothbrush is only remedy here.
    3rd If the rotting materials make it to a high flow area BBA is the result. Not on plants but underside of spraybar is not pretty.
    Trimming has now allowed me to see the spraybar. :rolleyes:

    The moral is my failed maintenance has caused a tad bit of grief.

    Still have some primo plants growing out, but the density must be reduced.
    I've been observing this morning and actually think 75% of what's in the tank must go.
    Being greedy I want to keep 50% but in reality with the normal growth rate achieved in this tank 75% gone should be my target.

    When everything has the new found room I know it will require much maintenance until a certain level of shading is reached.
    I'll surely be keeping many of the slower growers if you know what I mean! o_O
     
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    Good Evening All:

    Auto Pilot starting tomorrow am for the tanks.:rolleyes:
    Feed the plants and phish this eve and all is good.
    I'll be home Sunday mid-day so no worries.
    Last big horse event of the season for me, with lots of rain Friday night.
    It will be a big mudhole and river crossings will be rough. o_O

    Still trimming several items every eve.
    Need to catch things close to the surface this eve.

    Surface film is still gone which is a very good thing. :D

    I read all of the posts with regards to fert adjustments with a grain of salt these days.o_O
    No offense to those involved but I'm just not going to chase things down to that level.
    Many plants like the soup I serve and a small few don't like it, I can live with that.
    My largest fert adjustment if it should really be called that is the lowering of KH.
    I've reached 3dKH now in all three tanks, the question is "Is there any improvement?"
    Want to answer yes. Several species show more growth even the quality of new growth is better.
    Mind you this is the only thing I have really changed in almost 9 months.
    My target is 1dKH and it will take a bit longer to get there.
    When reached I may try a few different species of plants.

    Stepping down from soapbox now. :D

    For those that remember my green water tank, the 75G.
    Going to ditch the SafeTSorb, Over time it has broken down and seems like mud under the surface.
    It is only a grow out tank and home to the Platy farm.
    Going to get containers with different soil mixes for the plants and just a bare glass bottom.
    Just not happy with containers I have found yet. Suggestions for a cheap container are welcome.

    Night All: Happy Trails! :D
     
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    Evening all:
    Auto-pilot went well for the weekend. :D
    Had to double dose EI yesterday eve, NO3 almost not detected, PO4 <1ppm but not zero.
    Guess I should dose more during the week? o_O
    Seems like every day about 3ppm of NO3 is consumed, PO4 cannot be predicted.
    PO4 has always been a roller coaster when I measure.

    A woman came by this morning to get some plants for her tank.
    I sent her home with a half gallon bag of stuff.
    Wouldn't even know I removed any plants.

    Surface film is now gone, decaying plant matter was causing this.
    Algae is disappearing, both green hair and clado about gone.

    All plants from "The Pond" are doing well.
    All have an ID except for persicaria, don't know and not a red variety.
    Possibly persicaria hydropiperoides.
    Others are parrot feather, ludwigia palustris, and murdannia keisak.
    Gratiola viscidula but can't remember if it came from the pond???

    Enough said: Night All.
     
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    Evening All:
    Been almost 2 weeks since posting.

    Just been trimming a little every day or two.
    New logic has been trashing many stems only keeping the Primo stuff.

    LFS has had no more flame tetras to purchase.
    Thinking they will be my phish of choice for the 80G tank.
    I'm very patient so no worries on my end.

    Hopefully some pics from me soon!

    Night All:
     
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    Happy Thanksgiving All:

    Weeds are growing and much needed trimming as always.

    Ferts have flipped again from NO3 deficient to PO4 deficient.
    Fe has been sitting around .6 in the water column.
    Moderate hair algae all cleaned up with 3 daily doses of Excel.
    Going for a 4th daily dose to finish it off.

    Enjoy the Holiday All:
     
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    Good Evening All:

    No picks in a bit so I better post something!
    Plant density with a phish even.
    Only purchased 4 of these little wild caught flame tetras, they have all survived quite well.
    Should have got a dozen since LFS has had no more since.
    Even spawning behavior has been going on.
    [​IMG]

    Minor hair algae but all is getting cleaned up with a little Excel treatment.

    My new story:
    Horse riding season is pretty much over, no more camping, hard frost past few nights.
    I do have some indoor home improvement tasks to complete over the winter.
    But, I have been thinking of a new project since I need something mentally challenging going on.

    New Project:
    An aquarium control system of sorts, I'd like some input too!
    An Arduino based system for ease.

    1. A master station w/LCD display to determine all settings for a stand alone tank, capable of 5 extra tanks via WiFi.
    2. A WiFI slave station (5) @ each tank to control local tank items without an interface, controlled by master.
    3. An Android app that will function just as the master station LCD interface.

    I'm thinking each of the 6 possible stations, master plus 5 slaves will contain the following.
    A. 4 PWM 12 bit dimming channels. Each PWM channel is capable of more than 1 LED driver.
    B. Temperature sensor waterproof device.
    C. Pause filter/heater button, time set by master parameters. WC's or spot treatment.
    D. Temperature heat sink sensor for LED cooling fans, not used during moonlight with limiting function.
    E. 4 output relay board to control 120VAC plugs for filter, heater, cooler, CO2 solenoid.

    Any thought or ideas?
    Please throw them my way.
    I've purchased no parts as of yet still toying this idea around.
    Did I miss anything???
     
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    Forgot to mention.
    Since I got the Hanna Checker for Fe and when I am measuring it seems like a daily uptake of .1ppm of Fe in the capped soil tanks.
    I don't dose daily any more but it was @ .6 three days ago and .3 today.
    Usually catch this @ .1 to .2 and dose at that time. Roughly every 4 days with a splash.
     
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    Well as many things continue on.
    Purchased 8 harlequin rasboras over the weekend.
    Very small phish and they are doing quite well.

    Ammannia senegalensis is rapidly producing more stems to date.
    I could write a novel regarding many plant species at this time.

    Big weekend @ work this week.
    Many projects are a happening right now.

    Night All:
     
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    Good Evening All:

    8 little rasboras still kicking.
    All of these small phish in an 80G mostly go un-noticed.
    A really big trim would help. :D

    Purchased parts for an aquarium controller.
    Started developing the different screens a little @ a time.
    Maybe I am over thinking it but there is a lot to decide upon.

    Working on the base station now, it can communicate to 5 (tanks) remotes.
    Only the base station will have a screen and will fill the remotes with the appropriate parameters.
    If the remote doesn't exist you simply cannot select it.
    Remotes just function on the parameters sent to them with no screen.
    Future will include an Android App that will function the same as the base station.
    This Android App will be a long ways away, lots to complete before then but it will be a mirror of the screen.
    Screen development must come first.

    This project is going to take awhile so I'm not too excited.
    Need something to keep the mind ticking. :rolleyes:

    Plants are as usual growing near the surface and constant trimming, shading is still the enemy.
    Having much less phish than most allows me lots of wiggle room regarding bio-load.
    3 day weekend will allow for the major trim I need to make happen.

    Opinions on controlled devices are welcome.
    Please feel free to comment on what one's self would want to control via automation.

    Night All:
     
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    Good Evening All & Happy New Year !!!

    Been slacking on journal updates. :(
    Between programming and trimming my time has been spent. :rolleyes:

    My aquarium controller project is getting somewhere, much success so far. :D
    Need to integrate the screen now and see what that adds to programming. o_O
    Also a WiFi controller I've added to the realm of things. :rolleyes:

    Trimming 3 tanks over the past 4 evenings.
    What a bear, why did I let this go for a few weeks? :mad:
    Luckily I found some one starting a new 75G tank and made them a hell of an offer for an instant planting.
    I am actually happy to give some one an experience of at least 25 species of plants to play with.
    Wish I found an offer like that when I got started. :rolleyes:

    I went all out trimming this time, tossed everything that seemed "troubled" shall we say.
    Experiments are gone, sticking with plants that truly flourish in my environment.
    Eggnog helped to toss all the extras in the trash, no more saving little bits and pieces in trays.

    Soon a for sale post.
    Ammannia senegalensis has turned into a monster 40-50 stems got to go soon.
    I enjoy the burnt pink color but the side shoots are taking over.
    Persicaria species have also become annoying, reaching the surface too quickly.
    Lobelia cardinalis can be another prime offender, a simple 3" stem can turn into 10-15 plants in under a month.
    Bucephalandra needs an extreme cleanup, it needs the space to reach the light without shading.

    Enough said, Good Night All:
     
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    Good Evening All:

    A worthless update but none the less?

    Been trimming what gets close to the surface.
    Still way to many plants.
    Really need to get large groups thinned out more.

    Plugging along on aquarium controller when I have time.
    Not being a "programmer of C" there have been learning curves
    Specialty issues with touch screen messaging over a serial port etc...
    Web documentation totally sucks for my application.

    Phish seem well in the 80G.
    8 H.rasboras are all fine, and 10 Cory's are still happy.
    4 flame tetras has numbered down to 2 over time, I think.
    Shrimp, who knows with the plant density.

    The 75G tank is as usual.
    Platy's and Amano shrimp always happy.
    Slightly rising NO3, time for a WC.

    The 33G will remain phishless and is always growing.

    Weekend will have to be a trim type of thing for all tanks.

    Night All:
     
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    Evening All:
    Since cold is coming my way cleaning out the 80G tank.
    Pulling all plants, potting them and off to buckets.
    Big clean, vac the sub, swap out corner filter foam etc...
    This is way too many plants in my tank!

    I'll grab some pics as I go.
     
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    Evening All:

    The cleanup happened as planned, with a few bumps along the road.

    Saturday morning pre-cleanup my grandson fell in the pond.
    I had to retrieve him from the frigid slushy water that is now 3" thick ice.
    If he would have waited just two days he may have not been so wet.
    Warming up with electric blanket!
    [​IMG]

    Everything got rinsed in first bucket to remove debris.
    Went to the big tray to get trimmed and thinned next.
    Bucket 2 was next with 10:1 H2O2 dip.
    Bucket 3 was next with a WC dose of Excel.
    Bucket 4 was storage containing appropriate tank water parameters.
    Some plants grew an inch in this bucket over 36 hours!
    The trim bucket under the big white tray was 3/4 full after this trim!!!
    [​IMG]


    S.repens @Greggz 's favorite plant, 30 extra stems for sale.
    This is one deep rooter in a soil tank.
    Tossed at least 30 pieces due to shading and poor leaf quality.
    [​IMG]

    Over time due to pulling plants soil is lost.
    Gets removed during the vacuuming step laying on top of the BDBS.
    Added some additional BDBS as usual during a massive cleanup.
    This weekend was the largest WC ever, at least 50%.
    [​IMG]

    This evening with plants back in the tank.
    It looks really cloudy but the cell phone pic is quite deceptive.
    [​IMG]

    I think I am ready to plant this tank like it should be planted.
    Lots to sell off in the way of similar looking plants too.
     
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    Wow, fell into the pond, that is scary stuff. Glad to see he's doing fine.

    And I like the direction you are going. Very much looking forward to seeing where this goes.
     
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    He was very pissed off after falling in the pond.
    Quickly realized that electric blanket was his friend, didn't move for 2 hours!

    Many plants actually grew in the bucket for the 36 hour or so time frame.
    6 species went to the trash, just because they were not optimal growth.

    I'm also considering selling off other species.
    Brevipes and Arcuata are very similar, arcuata gets to go since brevipes is a better grower.
    Brevipes doesn't have all of the stringy lower growth habits.

    Didiplis, nanjenshan, and P.erectus are also too similar sitting next to each other.
    Tank to tank moves on these species. Not ready to get rid of them yet.

    L.Peruensis went to hell, it will need to recover by planting in the soil without a plug.
    P.Heidelburg is kind of poor too, back in the soil it is.
    This just means planting in the soil vs. the plugs.

    All these species of plants and learning the best growth habits really takes some time.
    Actually it is way too much time, been fun though!

    Phish update:
    Cory's(12) are all well and happy, same with rasboras(8).
    Flame tetras went from 5 to 2 but they are a spawning pair now.
    There is one shrimp left, found during the clean up, and a tough little bugger @ that.
    Thinking of 1/2 dozen Amano shrimp going into this tank, keep things cleaner maybe.
    They worked out well in the 75G tank.
     
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    Evening All:

    Here I am 11 days after the major cleanup.
    I sold a tank full to a different forums member and a 1/4 bucket of many species to a local planted tank enthusiast.
    In two weeks I'll never know that any plants were sold.:(
    Got to get rid of more plants soon, I hope.
    I'm learning to part with a lot more these days.
    Cold snap is not helping, even with heat packs I don't like shipping in severe cold.

    My oldest son will soon be ready for plants in his tank so that will be a huge help for plant removal.
    A 40long so only a 4'x1' footprint with a corner filter.

    Recent acquisitions are:
    Narrow leaf chain sword, it has a purpose and I wish I never parted with it.
    Staurogyne Bihar is back too, should have never sold it all.
    New to me limnophilla rugosa, 4 small stems that are blasting off.

    My bucket brigade worked well for plant cleanup.
    Bucket 1 removed debris, bucket 2 H2O2 20:1 dip, and bucket 3 Excel water change equivalent.

    The Buce is where it had gone wrong, bucket brigade did nothing to the BBA.
    Soooooooooo:(:(:( I did a strait H2O2 quick dip once and moved to clean water.
    2 species looked great, got plugged and went to the shrimp tank for cleaning.
    The thiea blue still looked like hell and I tried a second dip with H2O2, this was the mistake!o_O
    All leaves melted off the stems, now I have a pile of bare stalks.:rolleyes:
    They will survive and grow new leaves but it will be a slow process for sure.

    Let it be known that only 1 quick direct dip is possible without everything going to hell.
    Doesn't really matter, they were trash @ that point anyway.

    Some pics of the stalks later in the weekend!

    Night All:
     
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    I'll have to post an update here soon.
    A lot has happened since my last post!
     
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