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Phishless 80G Journal

Discussion in 'Journals' started by Phishless, Jul 17, 2017.

  1. Phishless

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    In my travels I hit the LFS up for 30 ceramic rings.
    Going to start putting them to use this eve.
    Trim weighted plants up and start putting them in the ceramic rings.
    All background stems will end up this way.
    I'll see how it all goes for a few weeks.

    Try to get some pics of plants this eve too!
     
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    Evening All:

    I promised some pics, picture taking did not go so well.
    Nothing really great came from the camera this eve.
    Should have used my cell phone instead.
    Got a fair shot of the "Buce Corner"
    Some of the tallest pieces are about 8" now, new leaves twisting open every day.
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    25 ceramic plug are now a place holder for many plants, removed all the weights doing this.
    Going in after a few more this evening.
    Since everything up front is planted/rooted plugs are not noticeable.
    Riccia façade is going strong again, damn shame no one ever wants it when I tear it up.

    10 days off starting Friday, new 33G will be done during the vacation.

    Possessing all these plants is madness @ times.
     
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    More pics!

    Little cory's are all happy.
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    Ludwigia Peruensis has finally lost all emersed leaves with no loss of stems.
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    A strange pic from the right side of tank.
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    Pic of right side from tank front.
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    Way too dense still. New 33G will lighten the load some, I hope.
    Cell phone cooperated with pics this eve, just had to reduce their size exponentially.
     
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    Really nice tank, Very bushy.
     
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    Evening All:

    75G green water dilemma is not going so well.
    Ordered a UV unit from ebay, Amazon snags not having Prime and delivery from outside US.
    Amazon seems to have a gimmick going on since I always seem to find better on the "Bay"
    I keep changing the <1micron filter pads, they work and collect the mess, but won't keep up.
    If I break down this tank due to the green water I'm going to sell it and put another 80G frag tank in its place.

    New 33G will begin tomorrow eve, since vacation begins.
    I won't start a separate journal, I'll just post some additional pics.
    The goal is capped soil and all tanks will be the same, no experimentation going on.
    Maybe the SafeTSorb in the 75G is done? Decent CEC from the start but maybe releasing more now.(2 years +)

    I've been through inert quartz, SafeTSorb, and now capped soil.
    Capped soil has provided the best growth and allowed for least amount of maintenance.
    Ferts have still been needed @ least to keep algae @ bay. Micros can be very lax.
    High PAR and CO2 have been a requirement that has been easily met.

    Night All:
     
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    Evening All:
    Just don't have it in me to start the move this eve.
    Email says UV shipped yesterday, slight possibility of arrival tomorrow.
    I will get a pic of before and after to prove a point if it works, it should.

    Dosed micros yesterday and tank has a slight haze to it.
    May need to half this dosing. Plants seem to like it but aesthetically it starts to look like hell.
    Maybe with capped soil I can get away with 1/2 dosing my micros of .1ppm of Fe.
    This experiment continues!

    Green hair algae is coming back but has been easy to control.
    Some manual removal and standard Excel dosing seems to work.
    BGA & GSA disappear with a standard EI dose of macros.
    I just cannot determine when to dose the macros, it seems to change weekly.
    When macros are dosed the glass even comes clean, go figure.
    I'm going back to double EI on macros and halfing the micros, my luck was better then.

    Poret foam will be cleaned over the weekend too.
    I'm sure that every time I clean it all BB have died.
    With such a low fish load it does not really matter.
    I mean 7-1" Cory's in 80G means nothing with the plant load I have.

    Night All:
     
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    Personally I have never seen a negative effect from too many macros. But have seen negative effects from too little.

    I'm hoping the UV light clears up the green for you.

    And it's interesting the haze you see from micro dosing. I am dosing a pretty large load these days, and adding gluc on top of that, and haven't noticed any difference.

    Now I do use Purigen in all three filters, so maybe that accounts for it??

    P.S. Forgot to add those large purple buces abovee are stunning. I've never seen them that size. It's a very good look.
     
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    I have always had to lather on macros, sometime 2x EI. Always clear water.
    Added 6ml of my micros Wed and cloudy on Thurs. Purigen in every tank, always.
    This could all be capped soil related and maybe I am dosing too much micro???

    Buce is bucephalandra theia blue. Larger leafed purple/blue in color.
    Got a large box of this from Cavan almost a year ago.
    Buce to me has way too many varieties that look identical.
    I have purposely bought two similar types, planted side by side and can tell no difference.
     
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    The chaos has begun!
    55G totally broke down, Moscow guppies rehomed to wife's tank after a severe cleaning.
    An empty tank stand awaits at this point.
    Not sure how long I can make it this eve, but there is tomorrow!

    Got a new macro attachment for my DSLR camera but have not experimented yet.

    I have no help so 33G is heavy with soil, I'll give it a shot though.

    Might be back, who knows!
     
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    It all started yesterday.

    Wife's tank got cleaned and remaining guppies moved.
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    Got 33G filled with water yesterday.
    Using a cheapo Marineland light just to work on the tank.
    A free light from a group of used equipment.
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    So I though to measure the PAR since lighting was my evening event.
    Not so good on 1/6 a fathom. These lights are crap.
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    Got the real lighting all connected and tuned in this eve.
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    About 75 PAR over 75%, created a lower light area near the Poret foam of 30 PAR.
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    Need to get CO2 connected and put some plants in there.
    Soldered the headers backwards to controller, a little rework still.
    Still need to try new lens adapter for macro pics.
     
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    Vacation Day1:

    The UV cleanup has begun at 5pm.
    I cleaned the glass right before this pic, amano shrimp went nuts for algae remnants.
    Now it is a question of time, I have lots, I let it get this bad!:D
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    Lighting is all done for the 33L.
    CO2 all switched over for all tanks on new manifold.
    Maybe more pics this eve.
     
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    Last guy that had green water that bad is no longer a member here. Just saying! :)

    Hint.. I love DUTCH so MUCH!
     
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    Thank you for your extreme support!:D

    I let it go mostly on purpose since I have never had green water.
    We must embrace all these trip hazards an expand our wealth of knowledge!
    1st attempt was diatom filter, clogs up with a lot of green goo but can't keep up.
    2nd was a standard Excel dose and <1micron filter pads, this restored some clarity, it would have took a month of Sundays though.
    Now UV.

    I'm an hour and a half in and the sea has not parted yet.
    Have no idea how long UV will take to clear this up.

    Hell I don't even know what plants are still in there.
    Been netting some Buce out since the added current stirred them up.
     
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    Wow when you said green water.....well I had no idea.

    Will be very interesting to see the effect of the UV light.

    Hope you got a powerful one!!!:D
     
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    Difficult eve trying to dial in CO2 on 3 tanks.
    May go by work in the am to get more parts.
    Manifold is very touchy.
    May opt for putting another 20lb. tank in service.
    Having extra equipment helps.

    Back to last night.
    While dialing in the PAR on the shallow tank, it is very deceptive.
    10 - 40 or so can be easily distinguished with one's eyes.
    65 - 90 not so much, PAR meter is pretty critical in certain ranges.

    Tomorrow the green water monster.
    Maybe UV, diatom filter, low micron filter pads, Excel, and Purigen all @ once.
    The substrate is SafeTSorb, maybe it has gone ape shitake all @ once releasing into the water column?
    It is clearing up just not to my liking yet.
     
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    You can help the UV and speed things up with a big water change before starting the UV. Im assuming you didnt do that... because its so green. :eek:

    Fun fact: When the green water is gone those plants will be spotless. There wont be a speck of algae anywhere. At least that's always been my experience....
     
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    Phishless, it looks like you also have an algae journaling opportunity.

    UV so fast? You know it will actually work and kill them! Why so fast? No blackouts, 1.2.punch no fun. At least take a sample .

    Water change before helps. It will cleanup in 1,2 days no worries. But keep the UV around a little longer and you will never see it again... In this tank at least.
     
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    I'm not going to speed this up. Just sit back and see how it goes.
    When/if clarity returns plants will be moved and a huge vac to the substrate.
    The tank is loaded with pretty much easy plants, don't think I will lose any.
     
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    Snap a few photos as it progresses to clearness!
     
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    Kind of my whole idea with this, why I didn't change any water.
    In the first pic you can see a line where light sort of stops penetrating the water and gets very green.
    Even now with just moonlight on light is penetrating a little further.
    Every 24 hour time lapse sort of.:D
    This example is about the worst it could get, been about 2.5 weeks in the making.
    Even leveled off and could get no greener.

    My last experiment was fish food only in a 6 gallon test tank.
    Plants with minimal ferts @ about 20PAR for months, growing great!
    I dropped the ferts and used a small amount of fish food daily.
    You know the claim of fish food providing for plants.:D
    A very brittle hair algae (staghorn? not slimy) culture filled the tank in 2 months.
    It was all suspended in the plants and not really attached to anything.
    Spent an entire eve picking this out, quick filter and sub clean.
    Went right back to minimal ferts and no more fish food.
    The remaining 3 months of this tanks test was algae free.
     
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