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Phishless 80G Journal

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  1. Phishless

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    New Tank:
    80 Gallon Deep Blue frag tank. 4' x 2' x 16"
    Top of substrate to water's surface is about 13"

    Stand:
    This is under my big screen in the lower living room.
    Bottom of tank is only about 12" above floor.

    Canopy:
    Built to replicate older All Glass Aquarium canopy.
    7" hinged front, 7" hinged rear, 11" stationary in the middle.
    Fairly good access to get to anything in the tank.
    Pic of stand over in my shop.
    [​IMG]

    Lighting:
    DIY LED dual pucks. Each dual puck is 42 watts.
    All 3 watt LED's, 7 per puck x 2.
    Every puck has 3 full spectrum LED's and 3 - 15K LED's.
    The 7th(center) LED is an RB or green.
    So each dual puck has 1 RB and 1 green.
    7 dual pucks for a total of 294 watts.
    Pic of a single puck.
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    Lets say each square foot of tank has it's own dual puck.
    But left rear square foot has a corner filter so no puck there.
    Right side with all 4 dual pucks delivers 110 PAR at substrate.
    Left side 2 dual pucks (half next to center) delivers 80 PAR at substrate.
    Square foot in front of filter with 1 dual puck delivers 65 Par at substrate.
    I have no idea how much PAR these pucks could deliver or at what depth.
    Having this many only to provide even coverage.
    Pic showing light distribution in canopy.
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    Photoperiod:
    Using a StormX controller I run full lighting for 6.5 hours.
    There is a 20 minute ramp up and 20 minute ramp down to moon light.
    Never measured moonlight @ full but it is dim enough that plants close up for a siesta.

    Filtration:
    Swiss Tropicals Poret foam for a corner filter.
    Pic of completed corner filter.
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    300 GPH pump in the bottom of corner filter.
    This pumps just over the back through a horizontal reactor and re-enters tank at other end.
    Spray bar then runs submerged length of tank back toward corner filter.
    Pic of reactor and spraybar arrangement.
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    Flow seems low but all plants gently wave a bit and no real settling areas.

    CO2:
    Reactor achieves about 26-28 ppm with no micro bubbles in the water column.
    Built from 1.5" PVC filled with bio-balls, used a union for cleaning purposes.
    I use a 20 lb. CO2 tank, it feeds several tanks.
    3 PSI working pressure feeding reactors.
    Cheap Tap-Rite regulator and a secondary regulator for low PSI setting.
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    Substrate:
    Miracle-Gro Garden Soil 2cf & Scotts Premium Topsoil .75cf
    Here is what I used.
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    Sifted both to remove all wooden/mulch matter.
    Soaked in large livestock watering tub to remove all floating materials.
    Rinsed daily and poured off the top for 6 days.
    Added 1 pint of arragonite and 2 quarts of SafeTSorb to the mix.
    Dried in sun for a few hours so this mix could stand and hold form on it's own.
    Used 1" layer in tank with perimeter of foam strips.
    Remove cheap foam strips to allow top substrate to border perimeter.
    BDBS around perimeter and then a full 1.25" cap.
    Adding the cap.
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    Dosing and water parameters:
    Tap is about 4GH & 3KH, TDS of 85 during summer, pH 7.8 to 8.0
    Tank is about 9GH, 6KH, TDS 240, Ca 30ppm, NO3 20ppm, PO4 2ppm, pH 6.9-7.2
    Macros 2 doses per week 10 ppm of NO3, 1 ppm of PO4 from a standard EI solution.
    Micros 1 dose per week from a PPS mix with additional Fe to reach .1 ppm Fe.
    Ferts are light, heavily planted, and all that soil underneath???
    Since I am Phishless there is no WC schedule. I top off during the week.
    Weekly when trimming a small area and uprooting things I vacuum an area.
    This creates a 15 gallon or so water change, it is working well.
    Net any plant matter as I see it and use Purigen bag in corner filter.
    Without Phish Purigen stays clean for a long time.
    Use a filter bag filled with SafeTSorb in the corner filter too.
    Seems to keep the water a little softer than without, dispose of every couple weeks.

    Livestock:
    Other than an explosion of snails, 4 blue dream shrimp and 1/2 dozen ghost shrimp.
    They are the guinea's until I am satified with capped soil, leaching ammonia etc...
    Goal is a small colony of blue dream shrimp.
    Caught 1 of my 4 during moonlight.
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    Plants:
    Being a collector there are too many, and I am getting better at organizing this mess.
    Learning to sell off more during trimming is my largest problem.
    I think damn these are doing great and I don't like to part with them.
    Some plants I am struggling with are not worth passing on.
    Some others are coming along nicely.
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    Algae:
    Prior to this tank I have had it all.
    When starting this tank I didn't need to purchase plants.
    It was over populated from the start, a jungled out 40G was the predecessor to the 80.
    The various rehomed plants were members of The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly.
    The Good got better than ever.
    The Bad seemed to all turn around and make a comeback surpassing the previous "good".
    The Ugly, some were to far gone, but many seemed to self cleanse them selves of algae, even BBA, resume new growth, and are thriving today.
    Only thing I am fighting is small areas of green hair algae that came with some recent plants.
    Using a half dose of Excel weekly seemed to have cleared this up now.
    99% of plants are algae free, diatom was a minimal outbreak during first week.
    Glass needs a light sweep with the wand weekly, few spots GSA here and there.
    Maybe raising PO4 from my target of 2 to 3ppm may help.
    Pic of 1/4 of the tank.
    [​IMG]
     
  2. Dman

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    Drooling over here. Beautiful tank and loving that corner filter. This may be an unreasonable question but I'm wondering if a moss wall could be done over the filter intake? For the purpose of a dutch tank.

    Dan
     
  3. DutchMuch

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    I have always been fascinated with the soil substrate... Tank looks fabulous :)
     
  4. Phishless

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    I reckon moss on a mesh in front of it would work.
    No more moss(mess) for me though.
    Few little pieces end up somewhere and moss is everywhere you don't want it.
    I am still working on the riccia façade in the front, but I tied too much to the SS mesh.
    When pearling it has been floating up, I need to thin this out.

    I was afraid of the soil when I started this tank.
    Figured lots of ammonia would be in the water column with high phosphates too.
    Week 1 ammonia sat @ .25ppm and then nothing, PO4 was zero.
    Week 2 I started dosing 2ppm of PO4 & 20ppm NO3(2x), micro dose of CSM weekly of .1ppm of Fe.
    I think I am now dosing a full EI and it's all being consumed, maybe a bit more.
    Once per week testing NO3 & PO4, 10ppm & less than 1ppm respectively.
    The root growth has been amazing, topping things is easy of course.
    Uprooting is another story, some items grow such a root ball I run the scissors under the cap and clip.
    If a gentle tug does not pry it loose I clip it.

    I wouldn't be drooling and it ain't fabulous.
    Hair algae outbreak is still happening, though not extreme, small tufts in some areas.
    Weekly half dose of Excel and some lazy manual removal.

    I know my issue here, too many plants, and shading from taller plants.
    I need to perform a large trim and just sell it instead of always saving everything.
    Just counted 34 different species in this tank alone.
    There is just way too much going on.
     
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    Well dag gun, you'd be wrong den wouldn't ya!
     
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    I think Dutch has ya there Phishless

    Dan
     
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    Just beautiful - the workmanship, quality of the set up, assembly, plant choice, plant health, substrate, photography. All of it.

    This is really stupid, but I love how neatly the wires from the LEDs are laid out. ;)
     
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    Many seem to like this way more than I.
    Thank you for the compliments!

    I have my troubles though and I'll work through them.
     
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    A few observations going on here.

    First 3 weeks of this tank a terrible white scum on waters surface, had to skim every day.
    Time passed and no more skimming required. Worried this would decrease PAR.
    Cleaned Poret foam for the first time Monday evening, flipped it over but kept same flow direction through foam.
    So now the top 2 inches just got submerged and surface scum re-appears? Much less though.
    Maybe the foam releases something when first submerged.
    As tanks are converted to Poret foam I will have more info.

    TDS readings are constantly dropping in the "Phishless" 80G tank.
    Macro dosing brings it up to 300 and a day later back to 250's.
    3 days approaches 200 and I dose macros again. Still about 2x week.
    I'm catching micros on one of the macro off days 1x per week still.
    This is a lot of consumption and some items dosed over a normal EI dose.
    @ TDS of 200 10ppm of NO3 roughly and about 1ppm of PO4 remains.
    All tanks with phish show accumulation of TDS thus my WC schedule is established for them.

    Any thoughts?
    Use Purigen but no were near needing regeneration yet.
    No dead plant matter floating around.
     
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    Cleaned pH probe and have determined CO2 is @ 33ppm.
    pH pen needs replaced though, working on 3 years with this cheapy.
    Trimming is starting tonight with a few items each night.
    Things are out of control at this point

    Planning on getting some pics before the trim.
    Some for me and some for the new plant database.
     
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    Well some of you know I am growing a façade of riccia in the front of tank.
    It is all floating this evening, again!
    Tied with thread on SS mesh it has overcome the weight of the mesh.
    Pulling this tonight and going to replace but much more sparse on the mesh.
    Tied it on way too thick last time.
    I have about a half gallon of riccia at this point, anyone have a need??? Shrimp keepers???

    Got some purple cabomba over the weekend.
    The dark green color is an awesome contrast, tips are almost purple and pearling.
    Need to find another dark green something to go with it.

    Picked up a fresh bottle of Excel too.
    Hair algae is a bit much right now, half dosing ever other day till gone.
    Hydra just noticed and some type of worm, 1" long going on.

    Blue shrimp may not be my thing.
    Found two dead shrimp this evening.
    Maybe moving some Amanos over this week.
     
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    Yea I know how that goes... all my shrimp in the fluval are dying too when I add them, just bought 4 amano's, 1 hour after being in there 2 were dead.

    ****Update****now they are thriving for some reason, idk and I don't mind.****
     
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    What a great set up. Too bad to hear about the blue shrimps.
     
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    Riccia I avoid.. very messy. But if you really want to do it, I recommend tying it to rocks with a net. Works very well, until individual pieces break out and make a mess around your tank.

    Cardinia shrimp and CO2 don't do well.. Neo shrimps can tolerate but you need to adapt them slowly. I usually recommend starting a small shrimp tank and picking culls from there to put in other tanks. I have a large colony of snowball shrimps and all males I cull go to other tanks.
     
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    This is a good idea, and its what I did to. I kept males however in the same tank. I have fire reds, mixed with painted and bloody mary. so the males I took out were polka dotted with red. The males I left in were all clear colored basically. And the excess males I put into the "more difficult to live in tank" and when you eventually had a mass of them in there, add one or two females of whatever shrimp you want, and BAM, new colony.
     
  16. Phishless

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    Here is the floating I'm talking about.
    So dense it raises the SS mesh I'm using.
    Mesh is wrapped with sparse pieces and thread, superglue the end tie-off point.
    Just replanted the façade in the front with a lighter load.
    Thinking the mesh was loaded too heavy in the beginning.
    sm20170617_221032.jpg
     
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    That's why people use rocks.. it's heavy enough to keep it down.. SS mesh cannot hold down that much plant.. its good only for mosses.
     
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    Guess it pearls so much the oxygen makes it float eh? Beautiful plant. many would keep it if not so invasive.
     
  19. Phishless

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    Rocks won't provide the "grass look" facade in the front.
    When it gets about 2" tall the pearling floats it up.
    I pull screens and trim down to about 3/4" at this point, and put them back in.
    Since they have all grown so tall I now have an overabundance.

    Anyone interested in riccia?
     
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    I have enough plants, that I don't even have room for, right now LOL
     
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