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pH swings

Discussion in 'CO2 Enrichment' started by laka, Apr 18, 2007.

  1. laka

    laka Prolific Poster

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    I typically experience a swing of 1.0 unit on a daily basis. ie pH 7.0 just before lights on and 6.1 2 hours after lights on. This is a hundred fold increase in acidity!
    What swings do others have ? My Co2 is linked to the lights.
    LAKA
     
  2. JamesC

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    Normally I lose about 0.4 from 6.2 to 6.6. How much surface agitation have you got going on during the night?

    I have CO2 come on 2 hours before lights on so that levels are at optimum ready for the plants to use. Also I turn it off 1/2 hour before lights off.

    James
     
  3. laka

    laka Prolific Poster

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    I have surface agitation 24/7 using a powerhead on my 180g tank. There is a moderate rippling but no water breakage along 3/4 the surface area of the tank. Tonight i decided to up my CO2 as my 4 degree drop checker was still blue. pH dropped from 6.4 to 6.1 half an hour after increasing the CO2 levels and immediatley all my angels headed for the surface with heavy breathing.
    I thought it was CO2 overdose but KH sln. still blue! (I checked with a KH kit that changes to yellow at exactly 4 degrees so i presume my ref. sln. is OK).
    I then suspected the large increase in acidity may have caused this. I backed of CO2 slightly , pH lifted to 6.4 , breathing rate back to normal.
    I don't think it is deficient O2 as no fish stress when lights out.

    My CO2 turns on with fluorescents at 12 noon and metal halides kick in at 2pm and turns off with all light at 10pm.

    So how am i going to increase my CO2 to the desired 30ppm without upsetting the angels?
    LAKA
     
  4. laka

    laka Prolific Poster

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    Is it possible my CO2 levels did skyrocket which was picked up by my Ph meter indirectly almost instantaneously ,but not by the drop checker as the gaseous diffusion process is much slower to react??
    LAKA
     
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    Yep, I find it takes an hour or two for a drop checker to respond.

    James
     
  6. Tom Barr

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    Older more mature tanks tend to have more stable pH, but the 1 full unit drop is about right for newer tanks etc.

    You should be able to knock the pH down by 1 full unit inside 1 hour ideally.

    Note, that pH drop is due solely to CO2 gas, which is what you want, the effect on pH etc is not harmful to fish, they have high levels in their blood and breath out CO2, so there is no affect on them osmotically.........the only affect is respiratory if you add too much cO2 and/or have too little O2.

    Thus pH in and of itself here has no meaning in this case.
    If you adding a lot of baking soda suddenly, that will kill fish because that is salt/osmotic exchange, not a gas etc.

    Regards,
    Tom Barr
     
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