This site is supported by the advertisements on it, please disable your AdBlocker so we can continue to provide you with the quality content you expect.
  1. We are after as many aquarium plant images that we can get, doing so will assist us in completing the aquarium plant database.

    https://barrreport.com/threads/aquatic-plant-images-wanted.14374/
    Dismiss Notice

NY says Hi

Discussion in 'Introductions' started by Rodgie_III, Nov 18, 2017.

  1. Rodgie_III

    Rodgie_III New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2017
    Messages:
    25
    Likes Received:
    5
    Local Time:
    8:57 PM
    Good day everyone,

    I'm Rodgie from NYC. I've been doing fish tank hobby for a little over 5 years now. But, I just started studying and practicing live plants in the last year.

    I just shut down my 15 gal planted tank due to life getting crazy busy. Plus my set up was slightly high tech ish. So the 2 buckets water change weekly plus to dose Excel everyday started to become difficult to maintain. So I donated everything.

    Now, within three months I'll start a scape of low tech no Co2 or LC either on a 5 gal (fluval spec V) tank. I already have the right plants in mind that won't need too much Co2. I have Dry ferts ready for once a week dosing.

    Before I start my tank. I want to make sure I understand everything about how Co2 play in Low tech. And I will appreciate it if somebody can sharpen my theory more.

    I'll create a differ t thread for my question. For now, Hi everyone and I'm looking forward to learn and exchange ideas with you all.

    Happy fishing,
    Rodgie
     
    Mike k, burr740 and Christophe like this.
  2. burr740

    burr740 Micros Spiller
    Staff Member Moderator

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2015
    Messages:
    1,398
    Likes Received:
    1,294
    Local Time:
    7:57 PM
    Come on in Rodgie, the water is fine!
     
    Mike k and Rodgie_III like this.
  3. Rodgie_III

    Rodgie_III New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2017
    Messages:
    25
    Likes Received:
    5
    Local Time:
    8:57 PM
    Let's start swimming haha.

    @burr740 do you know any thread here that talks about how to set up a non Co2 tank from the very beginning? Because as of now, I'm confuse if we should do the frequent water change too ( for the first month) in the early stage of cycle in a low non Co2 tank. Or, just follow Tom's advice that no weekly water changes. Just wondering if it also applies literally from the first 3 weeks.

    Cheers
     
  4. Tim Harrison

    Tim Harrison Lifetime Member
    Lifetime Member

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2017
    Messages:
    380
    Likes Received:
    333
    Local Time:
    1:57 AM
  5. burr740

    burr740 Micros Spiller
    Staff Member Moderator

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2015
    Messages:
    1,398
    Likes Received:
    1,294
    Local Time:
    7:57 PM
    Your question is in regards to being safe for fish, right? What Ive always done is add fish from the beginning, some at least, then do a couple 30% water changes per week for say a month. Then you can go to once per week water changes for another week or two, then your normal long term schedule, whatever that is.

    Im not saying that's the best way to do it. I know many folks meticulously cycle the tank in the beginning doing this or that. It's just what Ive always done and it seems to work.

    * This also assumes inert substrate like plain gravel or sand. If you're going to use some type of Aquasoil that leeches ammonia initially I think you need to wait about any livestock for the first 2-3 weeks, and maybe 50% 2x in the beginning. But Im not entirely sure because Ive never done it. Somebody else will have to guide you on that.
     
  6. Rodgie_III

    Rodgie_III New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2017
    Messages:
    25
    Likes Received:
    5
    Local Time:
    8:57 PM
    @Tim Harrison hi sir,

    I just finished reading your thread! Thank you for those amazing ideas. I have a question regarding using gardening soil. Is it okay to use them by itself no capping any layer of gravel?

    And another question(this one can be answered by anybody). If I use Aqua Soil only for substrate, is it okay to use instead of soils for gardening plants? My target is Non Co2 low energy tank.

    @burr740 im not gonna cycle the tank with any fish. I'll just do it the slow natural way. So I guess I'll do 2 50% water changes every week for the first 2 weeks. The reason why I'm confuse about this, is because of Tom's idea that WC can confuse the plants with fluctuating Co2.

    Maybe plants can get away from the first two weeks with 2 water changes since they're just waking up in a new situation? (Being submersed)

    Thank you guys.
     
  7. Rodgie_III

    Rodgie_III New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2017
    Messages:
    25
    Likes Received:
    5
    Local Time:
    8:57 PM
    Sorry about my confusing substrate question. Let me rephrase myself. Will I still get a good success on a low energy approach using just ada aqua soil or tropica soil?
     
  8. burr740

    burr740 Micros Spiller
    Staff Member Moderator

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2015
    Messages:
    1,398
    Likes Received:
    1,294
    Local Time:
    7:57 PM
    And no other ferts you mean? Probably yes I'd say. Obviously it depends on what plants and light levels and all that.
     
  9. Tim Harrison

    Tim Harrison Lifetime Member
    Lifetime Member

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2017
    Messages:
    380
    Likes Received:
    333
    Local Time:
    1:57 AM
    @Rodgie_III I wouldn't use garden soil on it's own without capping substrate, that'd be a recipe for a mud pie eventually, even if you were careful and didn't move your plants around. You'd be much better off using Gucci substrate like AS or Tropica Soil.

    So in answer to your second question, yes it's absolutely OK to use AS or Tropica soil instead of garden soil.

    With regards cycling, the ammonia spike produced by AS will be more than enough to cycle your tank and filter.

    It'll probably be considered heresy to suggest this but...the CO2 spike associated with water changes is almost certainly hokum. Even if it isn't, if your tank is well balanced and isn't exposed to too much light it shouldn't really make anything in the way of a significant difference; well one that will cause an algal out break anyway. The bottom line is it's better to do water changes than not for the fear of something going wrong. And further, the easier it is to do something the more likely you are to do it, so I don't really think that letting the water stand overnight to degas or doing water changes at night are really viable or sustainable options for many either.

    Finally, in relation to the above, granted you don't need to do as many or as substantial water changes in a low-energy tank as you do in an injected tank but I would always recommend doing several big water changes in the first few weeks to get your tank of to the best possible start.

    I probably tend to anything from as many to roughly half as many as I would for an injected tank, primarily to remove organics - both soluble and solid. There always seems to be a higher organics load at first, not least because the plants will be adapting to their new environment and there is usually some dieback, this probably goes a long way to keeping the take healthy and infers at least some resistance to algal outbreaks.
     
    burr740 likes this.
  10. Rodgie_III

    Rodgie_III New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2017
    Messages:
    25
    Likes Received:
    5
    Local Time:
    8:57 PM
    Thank you @burr740 and @Tim Harrison

    The tank I'll have is Fluval Spec V. Now, the light that comes with it seems like medium strength to me. I can't find any PAR reading anywhere. But it says 821 lumens(though I know this doesn't solve the mystery). Does it mean the more lumens is there in a light perhaps it has stronger intensity?

    Anyways aside from substrate(which I will settle with ADA Aqua Soil), it's now the light that I have to figure out how to make it less intense to achieve a low tech approach. Perhaps I'll add some floating plants like water spangles or frogbit. Which I also need to make sure the turbulence on the surface isn't too much because I know this floaters like to be in a minimum or no movement at all. Or, I just thought of this, does having tannins in the water affect also the intensity of light to plants(minimize it)?

    I will plant this scape densely from the start. My line up is consist of; narrow leaf java ferns, Anubias nana, some narrow leaf crypt, moss wall (that'll cover the entire background) and some moss too on driftwoods. I was also considering DSM with Monte Carlo or dwarf hair grass. But, I don't think I'm confident enough to pull the trigger specially it's getting colder now here and I don't have a heating mat to keep the tank humid inside. Plus, I'm scared that it won't make the transition from DSM and getting floded. What are the other foreground low tech plants out there that I can plant normally?

    I think I have too many questions already, but I know I have to ask everything otherwise I'll put myself in a big confusion later. So, my planned inhabitants would be a Betta, some algae eating shrimps (2 perhaps) and I'm a big fan of nerite snails so I'll add 1. Now, is this pushing my bioload too much? And, if all their numbers are safe in the tank. Should I aim for GH- 8 and KH -5 to keep the shells of shrimps healthy and at the same time have a good buffering capacity to keep the PH stable? I would like your advices on this matter. I want to be in the middle where it can accommodate everyone(plants, Betta, and shrimps.)

    Thank you very much for helping me
     
  11. Tim Harrison

    Tim Harrison Lifetime Member
    Lifetime Member

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2017
    Messages:
    380
    Likes Received:
    333
    Local Time:
    1:57 AM
    Yes, floaters are a great idea for reducing light intensity, and tannins will certainly diffuse the light as well. I kinda' like the effect anyway.
    A small amount of moss peat in a filter bag in the filter will be enough to stain the water, or black water extract will do the same thing, as will any of these products https://tanninaquatics.com/collections/aquatic-botanicals
    High plant biomass will help, it infers biological stability possibly through a number of synergistic effects like mutual shading, nutrient uptake, and dare I say it...allelopathy.
    I don't think you really need concern yourself with water hardness too much, unless you're considering breeding specialist fish species like Sphaerichthys osphromenoides which prefer soft acidic water.
     
  12. Rodgie_III

    Rodgie_III New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2017
    Messages:
    25
    Likes Received:
    5
    Local Time:
    8:57 PM
    Thank you @Tim Harrison. Actually I noticed it myself, in a soft water Anubias and java ferns tend to grow quicker. I remember seeing new sprouting leaves once a week almost. I have some almond leaves to stain my water.

    Now, my Tap water KH is only 2 GH 3. I guess I won't pay attention too much with the GH. But I wanna achieve KH 5 to make my PH more stable. In my previous tank it was constantly dancing overnight. And I believe it stressed out my Betta. If let's say I have tannins in my water, and I add few crushed coral by the filter, will that cause conflict? Because corals can also bring GH up. And tannin is suppose to bring it down. This part I'm really confuse what to do.
     
  13. Tim Harrison

    Tim Harrison Lifetime Member
    Lifetime Member

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2017
    Messages:
    380
    Likes Received:
    333
    Local Time:
    1:57 AM
    I don't think a little peat tannin will make that much of a difference either way, so it shouldn't interfere with your stability plans.
     
    Rodgie_III likes this.
  14. Rodgie_III

    Rodgie_III New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2017
    Messages:
    25
    Likes Received:
    5
    Local Time:
    8:57 PM
    Hehe okay sir!

    I can't wait to get my tank started. Last question for you sir @Tim Harrison. What carpeting plants did you have succes with in a low tech no Co2 and not doing DSM from the beginning?
     
  15. Tim Harrison

    Tim Harrison Lifetime Member
    Lifetime Member

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2017
    Messages:
    380
    Likes Received:
    333
    Local Time:
    1:57 AM
    Trying to get a worthwhile carpet established low-energy is something of a Holy Grail and takes time. A good strategy is to plant a mixed carpet and leave the plants to it, that way the chances of finding a plant that will adapt and carpet well are increased. For starters, you could try some of the carpet plants from the Tropica "Easy" list http://tropica.com/en/plants/?tabIndex=1&alias=Easy for example Cryptocoryne x willisii, Eleocharis parvula, Lilaeopsis brasiliensis, Marsilea hirsuta, Staurogyne repens.
     
  16. Rodgie_III

    Rodgie_III New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2017
    Messages:
    25
    Likes Received:
    5
    Local Time:
    8:57 PM
    Thank you, I have idea already of which carpeting plant in the tropica website to choose from(easy ones). But I don't think I'll do a DSM. Hopefully I can still make carpeting plant adapt successfully. Do you know if there's a way that they can deliver here in NY? I checked their site that says find a dealer. There are plenty of dealers here in US but I feel like it's dead end from there it doesn't tell me how to order.
     
  17. Mike k

    Mike k Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2017
    Messages:
    104
    Likes Received:
    44
    Local Time:
    7:57 PM
    Rachael O’Leary sells tropica. She is in PA


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
  18. Rodgie_III

    Rodgie_III New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2017
    Messages:
    25
    Likes Received:
    5
    Local Time:
    8:57 PM
    Oh right! I know her you tube Chanel!
     
  19. Tim Harrison

    Tim Harrison Lifetime Member
    Lifetime Member

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2017
    Messages:
    380
    Likes Received:
    333
    Local Time:
    1:57 AM
    If you don't have a high street retailer near you the best bet is mail order. Just choose a reputable dealer with good feedback and you should be OK.
     
  20. Rodgie_III

    Rodgie_III New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2017
    Messages:
    25
    Likes Received:
    5
    Local Time:
    8:57 PM
    That's what I did yesterday. I think I have few options. I just hope when I'm ready to order they have all the stock hehe. I wish I live in UK haha
     
Loading...

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice