Yawn this subject is getting quite boring and repeative I'll send you several pictures of the T8 LED Labels, the tank watever! that should get you to zip it! and also this site should explain why the LED's are doing a better job than you think http://bridgelux.com/media-center/press-releases/new-bridgelux-lef-arrays-double-light-output/ by the way I'm using bridgelux LED's with my setupSuperColey1;62773 said:I meant the manufacturer's/retailers marketing teams suggesting those sort of amounts. They are very optimistic. Glad they are working for you though. They will be better than T8s but not the 40W = 140W that they suggest. Closer to half of that which is still better.
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but back to learning more about non Co2 tanks I've got one problem with my Tank in the morning with the discus I find that all the discus are at the surface looking like they need air is it possable that my discus are creating too much Co2 and the plants as well when the lights are off at night, it might be a organic problem (too many solids in the water) but then it's all fine when the lights turn on what do you think guys? another Question what is a safe amount of Co2 for fish and should I get a Co2 test kit or dropper to check the amount at night time to see if it's safe? thanks guys
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