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New 40B in planning....

Discussion in 'Are you new to aquatic plants? Start here' started by Doc7, Feb 20, 2017.

  1. Doc7

    Doc7 Member

    Apr 19, 2011
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    Hello all,

    Considering the following, what do you think?

    - 40 Breeder

    - 2 x 36" Finnex Stingrays, mounted on legs on tank rim

    - 2-3" sloped front-back Eco Complete Substrate (5 bags, for average 2.5" depth)

    - 1 x Eheim 2217 filter with inline Hydor heater and a Fluval surface skimmer

    - Dosing per Tom Barr Non CO2 Methods:

    "User said:

    While trace mixes can be added, I decided to use SeaChem Equilibrium instead.

    It has Fe and Mn as well as Ca/K/Mg/SO4.

    I will add about 1/4 teaspoon per 20 gal tank once every week or two.

    This greatly enhances the growth of the plants.

    I also will add about 1/8" and 1/32" teaspoon of KNO3 and KH2PO4 respectively once a week or two."

    I will test my (well) water with GH/KH, for some advice - i notice there is no additional iron in the Tom Barr dosing. Do you think this will all be satisfactory?

    - Thinking about doing an Ammonia cycle with just substrate and wood in tank before buying plants and fish. With a Low Tech Low Light tank will plants pull up enough ammonia for a "Silent Cycle" instead?

    would you recommend aquasoil Amazonia vs the


    thank you!
  2. Pikez

    Pikez Rotala Killer!
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    May 12, 2013
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    If you're going with Finnex, look into a blend of Planted+ and MonsterRay. I understand it is a personal preference, but these two look and work really well together.

    Seachem Equilibrium is not a trace or comprehensive fertilizer. Flourish + Equilibrium fits the bill better. GH chemicals are real cheap if you buy them separately. Some pre-mixed GH boosters turn into a rock after a few months. You're better off using powder dosing with KNO3 and KH2PO4.

    Aquasoil is certainly a better nutrient source than EcoComplete. But Aquasoil can be somewhat messy during cleaning times.
  3. Dale Hazey

    Dale Hazey Junior Poster

    Feb 18, 2017
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    I am no expert on any of this...

    Tom has said that eco complete is inert(without-nutrients) Except iron?
    it's just clay substrate? Look into turface, people talk about using that along with other cheap clay alternatives, I imagine it's way cheaper than eco complete.
    I would use cheap substrate like pool filter sand, or a cheap clay substrate, and just dose the water column.

    Aren't those finnex stingrays kinda strong lights? I would think without excel or Co2 you would want a short photoperiod to reduce the chances of algae.

    I tried a silent cycle in my 40breeder, it seemed to work well until I pulled a bunch of stem plants and added more fish too fast. Then it crashed, the key to a silent cycle is probably a high plant biomass, while very slowly adding the fish and critters.
    #3 Dale Hazey, Jun 29, 2017
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  4. Braineto

    Braineto New Member

    Jun 29, 2017
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    2x Stingray's is very good option. Personally I like its color temp.

    If by any means you can hang a fixture over the tank, go with Fluval Plant 2.0, it need to be raised 3-4" inches to get the full coverage/spread over a 40 breeder. Fluval is a very quality light if compared with Finnex Stingray, with 3 years limited warranty and waterproof.

    If paying for substrate pay for Aquasoil or else go with cheaper alternatives (turface or pool filter sand). Eco-complete is crushed lava rock, its very easy setup a tank , just dump into the tank and fill water.

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