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Monterrey Salad

Discussion in 'Journals' started by Achel Ochoa, Oct 6, 2017.

  1. maciek_L

    maciek_L New Member

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    Tank is doing pretty well. Did you try change the Mo- SO -NO3 relation? I mean about the recovery of the stunted plant from the picture above
     
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    Achel Ochoa Junior Poster

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    hahahaha is just what I started doing a few days ago, I started adding sodium molybdate to the fertilized routine, also Flourish.
     
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    Achel Ochoa Junior Poster

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    After using Flourish many plants started to grow better.
    - Ludwigia Inclinata Red
    - Rotala Vietnam
    - Rotala Macrandra
    - Rotala Wallichi
    - Ludwigia Arcuata

    The only variety that did not improve was Pedicellata Golden for that reason I started to add Sodium Molybdate separately.

    I will share with you the changes that I see in that plant.
     
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    :D interesting. I am also playing recently with this plant and I have noted that tip stuning is related to the phosphate dose. I use half year old ADA AS. I suppose that micro availability ( partly regulated by phosphate level in the substrate) may be the case. I mean about A.P. Golden
     
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    Achel Ochoa Junior Poster

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    Ohhh...Is a high phosphate level good or bad?
     
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    Pikez Rotala Killer!
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    What has been your experience with phosphate and tip stunting in Ammannia?
     
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    I have been dosing high po4 and no3 slightly above clasaic EI. Ammania remained stunted all the time. Then I have reduced only po4 dose experimentally to 0. After one two days the tips looks almost Perfect. I use soft water. The micro dose was the same like previously during this test week.

    Pikez you have mentioned in the kill-thread that lean water dosing is key for these plants. Based on this initial observation from my tank I ve start to wonder how do you think about this PO4-induced micro deficiency.

    After this observation i have started some reading in agricultural and soil science journals. I have notes that there are commonly noted there that the high phosphate level in the substrate is related to for Cu, Zn and Fe deficiencies. I know that aquatic environment is different from typical soil. But maybe some relations and interactions are working in similar way.
    This only my observations-reading-based free supposition.. ;)
     
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    The only thing I can say is that I usually keep phosphate levels quite high ahahaha. In the next water change I will lower the dose to 2ppm and keep it that way for a week.
     
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    My Kill Tanks are not ideal for all Ammannia. I am currently finding that Wild Form A. pedicellata Green is growing better in the soft water tank + water column only ferts. And growing poorly in tap water + water column dosing. That does not mean that high KH is bad for them. It could be the other soluble secondary ions in my tap water like sodium, chloride, or sulfate, all of which are at about 100 ppm each. So my tap water has problems other than just high KH.

    When I was root feeding them, without any water column feeding, they grew much better in hard tap water. Not perfect, but not stunted.

    At the same time, Ammannia gracilis is doing better in hard water and not well at all in soft water.

    So the observation is completely reverse for the two species. Is this because these two species have slightly different needs?

    Generally, I am comfortable saying that if you want to grow both species well, heavy root-feeding + soft water + CO2 is the easiest way to grow them with less problems.

    Phosphate-induced micro deficiency is possible if you are dosing EI macros and very lean micros in an inert substrate. With Aquasoil, this is more difficult.

    You may have a point about PO4 induced trace deficiency. But if that is the case, the right thing to do is not reduce phosphate, but rather increase traces...so nothing is limiting? Or you could try to find the right balance between phosphate-trace ratio so that one is not making the other limited. The problem with providing JUST ENOUGH and nothing more, is that the threat of deficiency is always looming over your plants.
     
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  10. Achel Ochoa

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    Details

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    Plant mass increasing is awesome. :d How is going on with problematic ammania tips ? :) Any improvments ?
     
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    I really like this!


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    Thanks!
    So far no significant change, the plant is surviving but has not released healthy shoots.

    Thanks!!
     
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    This is how it looks today.


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    This is how it looks today.
     
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    Wow growth rate is really high. ;)
     
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