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LED Lighting WPG estimate?

Discussion in 'Lighting' started by shoggoth43, Apr 7, 2009.

  1. phanmc

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    I've been working on an LED project and am very impressed with the PAR output so far. My first unit is a 48w LED fixture to replace the standard hood of a 12g nanocube deluxe. The PAR reading at the substrate level, approximately 12" from the light fixture, is 100 micromols compared 35 of the stock hood (2x24w CFs). PAR measurement was done with the Apogee meter set to sunlight. The LEDs used are 10 cool white and 6 royal blue Luxeon IIIs, this is a nanoreef tank.

    The 16 LEDs are packed relatively close together in a small gutted 12" Current USA fixture.

    I'm working on a larger unit and will be using lenses like in the Solaris units to see if they improve performance at all.
     
  2. VaughnH

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    Which LEDs are you using, Cree or Luxeon? When you say they are 3 watt LEDs, does that mean you are running them at 3 watts - 4.2 volts and 700 mAmps? I know the Cree "3 watt" LEDs are normally run at only 700mA, and the voltage drop on them at that current is about 3.1 volts, or about 2 watts, not 3 watts.
     
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    I'm using the Luxeon IIIs running at 5 volts and 1Amp.
     
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    Are you sure they are running at 5V/1000ma? What is the ma that the driver controls them at?

    Datasheets are usually a little optimstic and even the Lumileds one lists the max Voltage as 4.47 @ 700ma!!! and they state the typical V at 1000ma is 3.9 (page 6):

    http://www.philipslumileds.com/pdfs/DS46.PDF

    AC
     
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    Sorry, electronics isn't my strong point. The setup is using resistors instead of a driver. I had a friend test it and he said the LED volt and mAmp is 3.9 and 900 respectively.
     
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    syou should be using current controllers/drivers with high power LEDs and not resistors!!! You will end up frying the lot if one goes!!!

    AC
     
  7. VaughnH

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    Circuits for using High Power LED's is a good place to find ways to limit the current in LEDs. I made a current limiter using the two transistor (one FET) method. I haven't tried it out yet, so I can't say for sure that it works.
     
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    Vaughn,

    Where did you get your aluminum channel from? That might be a usable substitute instead of going to heatsinkusa.com.

    I jumped in on the group buy over at nano-reef so once the stuff comes in I'll be starting over. The plan on the BC8 is 6 Cree Cool Whites at a 4" spacing and 3" between rows. The BC29 will get the same LEDs but I'll have 3 rows of 4 x 5 x 4 for a total of 13. Spacing will be roughly the same 4" with 3" spacing between rows.

    The MeanWell drivers I'll be using can drive 13 LEDs at 1A in series or 26 LEDs at 1.5A in two parallel strings of 13. Input is mains voltage and they can be dimmed so this should make for some interesting options. I figure worst case I can then add more LEDs between rows to up the intensity should I ever decide to convert these over to reef tanks.

    I still need to figure out how to get photos posted here so I can show what I've got in place now.

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    put the pics on a host (free ones are like imageshack or photobucket.)

    Then past the url of the pic here enclosed by tags

    example:

    [ IMG ]http://photobucket/your account/yourphoto.jpg[ /IMG ] (don't put the spaces in these tags. I put them there just so that the site didn't think it was a picture :lol:

    or click the icon above where you type for your posts of the mountain and sun and then paste in the Url there (this just adds the [IMG] tags for you :) )

    Ac
     
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    Thanks everyone, the link looks especially helpful.
     
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    There is a surplus metals store near me called Blue Collar Supply, where I can buy several different shapes and sizes of aluminum extrusions, as well as odd sized sheets of various thickness of aluminum. The 8 foot by 3 inch channel cost about $27. I'm not convinced that an optimum heatsink is needed for the LEDs with the spacing typical for a planted tank light, so I expect the channel to work just fine.
     
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