Ion circulation filtration - Anyone use one of these?

[dapellegrini]

ECO-Aqualizer

I keep seeing the ads for this thing... Wondering if anyone has tried one... What would it do in a planted tank?

 

[trcpdx]

• Reduces water changes by up to 75%
• Eliminates Cloudy and Yellowing water
• Dramatically reduces Green Algae growth
• Eliminates toxic Ammonia build-up
• Keeps water Crystal Clear Year-round
• Increases Trace Element bio-availability
• Stabilizes pH while increasing O.R.P.
• Increases LIGHTING penetration by 24%
• Relieves Stress and improves Health

These guys have apparently hired away Marc Weiss' marketing staff...

 

[Laith]

This is great:

"ECO-AqualizerTM accomplishes such Healthy benefits by applying continuous ionizing pulses geared toward the collapse of water molecules. This collapsing of H2O molecules allows Oxygen atoms to become super saturated and exhibit much greater bio-availability."

 

[Tom Barr]

See here.

about 3/4th of the way down the page:

"Ionized" and alkaline water: snake oil on tap

What is pseudoscience?

Need I say more?

Regards,
Tom Barr

 

[dapellegrini]

Rex Grigg takes a stab at debunking it:

Junk Science

Too bad the link at the bottom of the page, that allegiedly shows photos of a total disassembly, doesn't work...

 

[mstolpner]

I find it interesting. This product is based on some theory. The links in this thread represent other theories. An article on their web site ECO-Aqualizer National Product Review makes more sense to me than Rex Grigg's article. But I guess the question is: did anyone try it and can tell us about their real experience?

Mikhail

 

[VaughnH]

Before I am willing to try something new I like to think I understand why it is supposed to help my tank, and how it does it. I added CO2 and fertilizers and Excel with that logic. Plus, I added extra water circulation following the same logic. But, I don't see anything in the writeup about that device that tells me anything useful. For example, it says it puts ions in the water - I do that by adding fertilizers. Water itself is already ions, so turning part of it into ions is meaningless. Now, if this device were said to be a sure way to prevent algae, and the explanation made some sense to me, I would be buying it.

 

[mstolpner]

They do not claim they found an elixir. They claim it changes water characteristics and that it has a good effect on aquatic life. I think it's not a secret for our modern science that water is one of the most complex and wonderfull elements and that it will bring a lot of discoveries in the future. My friend who is PhD in chemistry confirmed that this is very possible that water molecules can form structures and that passing through a magnetic field water structures would possibly break or change in some other way.

Oops. I didn't want to start a discussion as I think we can find out if this device has any effect only by trying it. I just wanted to see if there is anyone who tried this device.

Mikhail

 

[Professor Myers]

I just got a GREAT IDEA !

I think I'll market a similar magnet but incorporate it into a usable aquarium component. I'll direct the flow through an electro magnet, and use the field to generate an impeller to pump water. I'll call it "The Power Head" ! Catchy Huh ?

 

[Tom Barr]

I find it interesting. This product is based on some theory. The links in this thread represent other theories. An article on their web site ECO-Aqualizer National Product Review makes more sense to me than Rex Grigg's article. But I guess the question is: did anyone try it and can tell us about their real experience?

Mikhail

My simple question to you is did you read those links I specifically provided or not?
Not Rex's, but the one I suggested?

Please do yourself a favor, please read both those links completely.
Especially the part about pseudoscience.
Read those carefully, this guy is far more credible at attacking exactly what you are talking about.

I think it's not a secret for our modern science that water is one of the most complex and wonderfull elements and that it will bring a lot of discoveries in the future.

When you use such phrases as "modern science" and suggest it does know yet all the most complex and wonderful elements, science does not devel into relams.

You are talking about belief here.
Not science.

Science has never claimed to be all knowing.
But when the supoposed alternative hypothesis put forth from this product is ever more removed and far fetched, and seemingly untestable, then it's really based much more on belief.

This guy's link is not asking for $$$ for his product, he's asking you to use your head. Rex has his own opinion and they are his.

They claim it changes water characteristics and that it has a good effect on aquatic life.

Any research references to support this claim?
Besides what is on their site?
I've looked for this in the past for some time.
Never found any.
I did find a lot of mismatched references that appeared, to be a smoke screen and used chemical physics and jargon to thwart a common folk's understanding.

My friend who is PhD in chemistry confirmed that this is very possible that water molecules can form structures and that passing through a magnetic field water structures would possibly break or change in some other way.

My friend teaches Physical Chemical at UC says such marketing products that devel into these areas are just marketing scams, but that's him. As does the above web site who's not after your money and clearly has a professional background.

And to directly answer your question: yes, one of my client's did have 4 on several tanks, we removed it and the tank done much better.

If we use the very same "ruler" you are suggesting we use and the claims of the product, my test shows it's a detriment to aquatic life.

After all, upon removal, the tank does much better, fish are healthier, more vibrant etc.

Now, let me see you punch some holes in my claim for change?
You need to read, then apply the very same logic to my claim.

So yes, I have tried it through some clients.
You haven't.
Their tanks are much better now.

I made my conclusion based of the same logic and support the company makes their claims.

But for the sake of arguement and debate, let's see if you can apply such logic in reverse????
Show why what I said is wrong.

I made the claims based on a hypothetical and incorrect reason(which is for you to figure out), but the observations are fully true based of 4 such tanks with this product. The tanks are now better.


Regards,
Tom Barr