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How Much Dry Ferrous Gluconate To Make 10,000 ppm Solution

Discussion in 'Aquatic Plant Fertilization' started by jeff5614, Mar 10, 2010.

  1. jeff5614

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    I recently picked up some dry Ferrous Gluconate from Aquariumfertilizer.com to replace the Flourish Iron I've been using. The directions that came with the ferrous gluconate say to use 36.6 grams / 1 liter of water to make a 10,000 ppm solution. I was just over at their website and the directions there say to use 95 grams / 1 liter to make a 10,000 ppm solution. Any idea which is correct and how do you calculate the amount needed to make a 10,000 ppm solution?

    Thanks!
    Jeff
     
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    Aquariumfertilizer.com, can't live with um, can't live w/out um.

    I found this,
    Hope it helps.
     
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    That's wrong.
    95 grams is correct.


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    Thanks! I decided to email and ask. Their supplier had misfigured the ratio initially which is where the 36 gram amount came from.
     
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    That was my mistake and fault, not theirs.

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    That's no problem at all. They're still my go to place for ferts.
     
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    FWIW, using molar mass for Fe from C12H24FeO14 gives 12.46%, which would be ~ 80.3g in 1L for 10,000ppm Fe. I'm using these links that nfrank pointed me to off forums:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron(II)_gluconate
    http://www.vgdusa.com/chelated_miner...on_lithium.htm
    http://www.drugs.com/ppa/ferrous-salts.html

    The calculator here does this, too: http://wet.biggiantnerds.com/fe_calc.pl But perhaps this is wrong.

    If you can measure the weight of a levelled teaspoon a fw times, Jeff, it's appreciated. I would not trust the tsp weight my calculator provides (which I also worked out from AquariumFertilizer.com's site) without another real trial.

    Happy to trade you an equal portion of EDDHA or DTPA so I can test the weight myself, too :)
     
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    It is more like 11%, not 12.46, you left out 2 hydrations.

    You can also compare it to 6.53% for Fe in CMS.
    The same weight should yield about 6200 ppm solution.
    If this is incorrect, then all the CMS calculators are also incorrect.

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    Chemistry is cool. Thanks, Tom. Reading.
     
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    Well , you can use past estimations and % Fe as a reference to check things eg, CMS etc.........and then knowing what the % is for any Fe dry powder, should be able to get close.

    You can also just think about adding 10,000mg/l of "Stuff". So then it's 10 grams of "Stuff" for 10,000ppm or mg/l. Take the 11 % factor and you end up with a little under 100 grams.

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    Not that any of this really matters, if you are off by 2-3-5x even, as long as you dose a fair amount ezxcess of traces, there's no limitation and few folks bother to test Fe in their tank's water anyhow.
    Most dosing is done by eye and general estimations.
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    If we want to get specific and know more, then it does, toxicity, max /min values etc.........but for most, it really doesn't matter that much.




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