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Discussion in 'Are you new to aquatic plants? Start here' started by Flo, Jan 27, 2011.

  1. Flo

    Flo Junior Poster

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    After a month of secretly reading this forum (and still not finished with it), I've decided to introduce myself. I've been keeping tanks for a little over 2 years. Until 4 months ago I used to use the "Karma method" with the plants in my tanks. Some lived, some died. I was doing nothing for it besides pruning and replacing the decaying plants with new ones. They were just accessories for my fish to provide them with comfortable hiding spots and give the tank a pleasant aspect. Last October I decided to get down to it, the gardening season being over here in Holland. Inspired by a post on a Dutch forum from not to name him Hallen;) , I decided to adopt the EI method. So here I am another novice in plant keeping to bear with who came to the source of that article to try and understand more about how she can make her plants thrive in her aquariums.

    Here are the info's about installations at home:

    1). Tank dimensions
    Tank 1: 61 x 31 x 73 cm
    Tank 2: 81X36X50


    2). Substrate
    Tank 1: It is divided into 2 zones: 1 with fine decorative gravel and the other with quartz sand. Both are not enriched.
    Tank 2: Fine decorative gravel. It's not enriched besides clay balls by the roots of my echino's.


    3). Lighting
    Tank 1: Hagen Glo T5 with Dennerle Amazone daylight T5 1x24 W. I removed the second one recently (Dennerle T5 color plus) following the advice here. It's mounted on the aquarium panes.
    Tank 2: Original Juwel light unit with 2 Dennerle T5 2x28w Amazone day + special plants


    Both tanks are on a timer of 7 hours per day.

    4). Filtration
    Tank 1: I use 2 filters since a couple of weeks. The original Juwel filter with pomp capacity of 280l/h and an Eheim liberty hang-on filter with a pomp capacity of 200 l/h
    Tank 2: I use 2 filters since one week. The original Juwel filter with pomp capacity of 600 l/h and an Eheim Professional 2224 with pomp capacity of 700l/h


    I went for 2 filters to improve the water circulation and the diffusion of all that's added into the tanks (again something I've learnt here). I chose filters and not powerheads because for one tank I already had the extra pomp available and for the second I wanted an external pomp for a while and it allowed me to have a spare and also do the job regarding the extra flow.


    5). Additional flow via powerheads or such
    N.A.

    6). Your plans for c02. How to diffuse, models, etc. What size pump to run what size reactor?
    Right now I'm using a BIO CO2 set (sugar and gist). In tank 1 I diffuse it with a ceramic diffuser, in tank 2 I use a Dennerle CO2Topper diffuser. I also have a Dennerle Profi-Line CO2 Long-Term Test Correct to get an approximation of the CO2 level in tank 2.

    7). Plants - what types and how many?
    Tank 1: Hemianthus callitrichoides work in progress field, Eleocharis vivipara(6) spread out at the back of the tank, Vesicularia dubyana on kien wood, Limnophila sessiliflora(1)
    Tank 2: Eleocharis acicularis(3) , Ludwigia repens , Echinodorus argentinensis (1), Echinodorus bleheri (2), Hedyotis salzmannii(3) , Heteranthera zosterfolia(2), Gymnocoronis spilanthoides(2), Limnophila sessiliflora(1)


    8). Plumbing details - are there plans for an in-line heater or UV?
    N.A.

    9) Nutrients I use
    Easylife profito/easy-carbo/Ferro, KNO3, KH2PO4, clay balls.

    Goals:

    1). Do you like fiddling/testing the tank? yes
    2). Are you pressed for time? no
    3). Do you want a fast growing, high tech setup? + 4). Do you want less maintenance, less growth?
    I am interested into both. The only thing right now is that I do not have the cash to invest into a pressurized co2 system, so I have to cope with the bio co2. Still, I notice improvements on my Vivipara using this system so if not perfect, it is yet something. Moreover, I am undecisive if this is worth investing in such a system for my current tanks as I have in mind to acquire a much bigger one in the near future.

    5). Are you interested in more of the science behind things, or are you more the layperson type? A bit of both, it's a gradual process. Most of the papers linked on this forum are yet overwhelming to me but while reading the threads you slowly pick up things.

    About pictures of my tanks, I could post some but I did a radical pruning a week ago so I find them not really presentable as it is.


    I am ahead thankful for all comments and critics.

    Best regards,
    Florence
     
  2. Hallen

    Hallen Guru Class Expert

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    Hey Flo! Nice to see a familiar face over here. The more Dutchies we get the better EI will spread among the Dutch fora :)

    I've followed your tanks for some time now and I have to say you made a lot of progress in little time, very impressive.

    About that new tank and less maintenance. If you're going to get a bigger tank in the future you can wait with Co2, or just buy a bigger set which will also be sufficient for your new tank(their not that expensive, especially on the long run). For the less maintenance it mostly comes down to two things: Pick your plants, don't take fast growing stuff if you hate pruning. Also less light + more than sufficient nutrients and Co2 will give you beautifull plants aswell without the need to prune very often.

    If you're going window shopping for a new tank I suggest to look at all the tech first, sort out the lightning you want, length of the bulbs, etc, etc. This will make things alot easier than when just picking up a tank and noticing later you have blind spots since there are no TL bulbs in the length of your tank.
     
  3. dutchy

    dutchy Plant Guru Team
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    Hi Flo,

    Welcome at the BarrReport.

    Seems like you have already learned a lot. Remind CO2 is an option, not a must. It will make the choice of plants you can use bigger, but the problems will be also bigger if not done right. So pick your equipment very well, don't choose cheap things just to find out later it's not enough.

    regards,
    dutchy
     
  4. Tug

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    Gist is my middle name.

    Hi Flo,

    Welcome to the Barr Report. I think a lot of us use the "Karma method" now and again. Yeast generators fall into that category for sure and I love mine. They are a great opportunity to try different ways to diffuse the CO2 without relying on a valve to up the volume. You can dose CO2, dose EI, keep the low light, and keep healthy, algae free planted tanks. I'm sure you will do great. :cool:
     
  5. Flo

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    Give back to Caesar's what's Caesar's

    Thanks all for the warm welcome and encouragements.

    Well I might have made some progress quick but it's because I had a good professor in Hallen so to speak who is always patient and helpful with all my questionning and guided me into the right direction :)

    Hallen, you will probably hear from me on PF when the time comes for the new tank!

    Dutchy, I totally share your opinion about not buying cheap stuff. I will also add that I became a fervent anti-juwel brend! After reading the threads about non-CO2 method, I have to say I was seduced by trying that out in the near future in one of my tank.

    Tug, I am glad to hear that the gist method is viable. It's just difficult for me yet to keep it steady. Right now I am renewing my mix every week. I suspect that it's because I put the bottles on top of a radiator and it gets depleted faster otherwise if I don't the reaction does not occur due to the low temperature in the room (20 degree celcius) How about you? How are you doing it? I apologize ahead if you already developed the subject somewhere on the forum and I missed it or it is placed in the member-only section which I still need to arrange but my credit card is maxed out *shrug*
     
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    Wine or Champagne yeasts ferment at a wider range of temperatures.

    You are so right about the importance of temperature. Different yeast prefer different temperatures as well as other preferences. Try yeast strains from a local vineyard.

    Experiment with flow patterns and different diffusion methods. Needle-wheels are in vogue because they are easy to set up and very effective. I suggest a 4 liter generator for every 70 liters of water column. Well, two really, replace one of the jugs every 3 weeks with a fresh batch of gist. Rotating a new generator into the mix has some advantages over using a single generator. When it comes time to replace the generator with high amounts of ethanol, one generator will be on its way out while the other is growing sufficient yeast to provide sufficient CO2. These two 4 liter generators should provide enough CO2 for a 160 liter tank under proper lighting.

    My OP is not great but it has some links that are very helpful.
    http://www.barrreport.com/showthread.php/7855-DIY-CO2-primer-for-planted-tanks.

    Remember to keep O2 levels up in the rush to add CO2.
     
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  7. Flo

    Flo Junior Poster

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    Thank you for the links. Excellent info to improve my system.
     
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