Growing Limnophila sp. 'Guinea Broad-Leaf'

Hi Russ,

If you could give more detail on the c02 diffusion method and how you determine you have good c02?

I would say off the top that you have too much light and not enough c02 and/or nutrients for the LIGHT level you have.

What type of lighting fixture/bulb config do you have? Can you remove a bulb for a bit and see if that helps? Can you raise the fixture at all?

Lighting is what drives c02 and other nutrient demand. Some plants are better than others at making do with smaller amounts, or can use it faster than other plants, and so do better. The higher the light, the more c02 and other nutrients are required. It is easier to supply a constant/smaller amount of c02 than a larger one (in general), so the thought is to lessen the light and so easier to meet the demand.

L. Aromatica in general likes c02 like most plants....

I would suggest the following:

Reduce your light. You can always increase later.
SLOWLY over several weeks, increase your c02 and watch the fish and plants. If the fish hide, or are darkened, dis-colored, gasping at surface, turn the c02 down immediately and agitate the surface.
Add some surface ripple so the surface has movement, but not breaking the surface. This will help offset c02 issues.
Increase your EI dosing (please tell us what it is?) by 50%.
Do a WEEKLY 70% water change. This will offset the increase in ferts.

When ALL the plants in the tank are doing well is when you are close If one or more species has growth issues, or there are algae issues, then something is still not quite right.

Don't forget general filter maintenance and cleaning as these also have an affect.

What sort of flow/current are you providing for the plants?

Hope some of this helps.

 

I got that plant from HK. A very brittle plant. Once a stem is bent, the section dies and leaves you with two plants.

It took a while (about 3 weeks) for it to start growing but i noticed that it only took off when it was directly below the lights (halide) and with gentle current directly from the co2 enriched water. I have kH 13 and dosing EI.

 

My $US .02

Hi Russ,

Are you doing weekly water changes?

If you are doing weekly water changes, I really do not see any reason that you should be having a major problem.

My two cents though:

First I do not think your water hardness should be much of a problem, it would not hurt to raise the GH a degree or two (120-240 ppm), I think your alkalinity is fine.

As to the lighting you seem to have plenty, I have never run 10,000 k lighting, so I really do not know, I guess if you are having problems and can do it, I would be inclined to replace a 96 watt bulb with a 6,700 k (90 + CRI).

I would double the amount of Flourish you are adding.

I think you can reduce the KH2PO4 to a light 1/8 teaspoon three days a week.

I would add ½ teaspoon MgSO4.7H2O, three days a week.

Finally, I would do as Gerry recommended and double your dosing and do a minimum 70% water change each week.

When in doubt, change water, my inclination is to o a major water change now and another one in two days, then again on your regular water change day.

Other than what I have mentioned I really do not see anything that jumps out at me as wrong.

I hope this helps.

From deep in my bunker in an undisclosed location,
Biollante

 

Hi Russ,

Well since you offered lol

I DO think you have too much light At least too much for your c02 levels...

I would advise removing a bulb or so, but keep a good spread over the tank.

I think you will find that less light works well as the plants will require less c02 and other nutrient.

I recently reduced my lighting levels and am very happy with the slower (but just as nice) growth.

I think you could go with 1-1.5 wpg easy, since they are VHO with no issues.

Just reduce gradually in case of crypt melt.

Hope this helps.

 

Mg Good

Hi Russ,

I have found that for whatever reason small increases in GH, even if it is already somewhat elevated as in your case, often stimulates growth. I have heard a number of explanations; many include trying to sell something, so I guess I don’t really know. (Under my off-limits stuff, I can also ‘see’ a difference with my ORP meter in addition to observation. )

My experience has been that soft water plants are far more affected by the alkalinity (KH) than by the general hardness (GH). Once alkalinity gets beyond 500 ppm (4+ dKH) or so, I start having problems with some of my more sensitive soft water plants.

Now that I think about it, it might be a good idea to add half a teaspoon of a quality GH booster at each water change, in addition to the Epsom salts three times a week.

That Magnesium is, according to Tom Barr, to chlorophyll, the "blood" pigment of plants, what iron is to hemoglobin in mammalian blood. http://www.barrreport.com/showthread.php?t=1384 is a good read on the subject.

I would not dare to think I could speak for Gerry, but I must admit your situation does sound like CO2 and/or circulation, the things I am suggesting are at the margins.

Obviously if your CO2 is on the verge of killing your critters, you have plenty. Reducing light is a good general rule at least until things are under control. Light really does drive the process and backing off the lights can really slow things down a enough to get things under control.

In addition, patience, I know it is frustrating, but as my Dear Ol’ Dad used to tell me “in the world of plants, most anything that happens quickly is likely bad.”

Biollante

 

Hi Russ,

It is a bit of both actually.

Light is what drives plant growth and the subsequent nutrient demand.

I PERSONALLY think the aromatica is lacking c02. Since upping your c02 is impossible as you feel you are at the max (is that correct?), then the only other option is to lower the light and thus lessen the demand.

How DO you measure c02 by the way?

Keep in mind that not all plants use/assimilate/require the same amount of c02 in the same time frame. Note too that c02 does not stay in solution that long. Since some plants can fix c02 more rapidly/readily, they will do better in a limited environment.

It is a good indicator actually of something amiss when a specific plant does NOT do well, but many others do in the same tank. Why is that? Aromatica is not a difficult plant by any means provided it has the means to do well. This leads me to think c02, since macro and micros are easy to rule out.

To do so, I would increase my EI as stated (more plant = more nutes) and do a WEEKLY water change and an extra thrown in mid-week if possible. This will address any possible macro/micro deficiencies. Since we both think you have enough light, what is left?????? c02

TRY the lower light for a couple/few weeks and see how it works. You can always go back to where you are now.

Not sure if you have many varieties of plants or what????

Don;t forget that good flow and circulation is also key. A dirty filter could be affecting more than you know... are you keeping up with general maintenace?

Sorry for all the questions, but I cannot see your tank or know your schedule, and diagnosing from afar, doesn't always work well

This is good advice. It may take several weeks for the plant to come around once conditions are optimal.

Also check your plants themselves, they may need a trim and flow is blocked, shading occurs, etc. Less mass to use the available nute pool.

Bio,

Trust me when I say that I wish folks HAD dared in my checkered past LOL

Hope this helps.