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GH dosing for RO water

Discussion in 'Estimative Index' started by ShadowMac, Jul 5, 2011.

  1. ShadowMac

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    what is the recommended GH booster dosing at water change for RO water? How much per 5 gallons? I store my RO in 5 gallon jugs and that would be easiest. Otherwise, how much per 20 gallons?

    I am using Barr's GH booster from aquariumfertilizer.com.
     
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    A Little of This... A Bit of THat... Mix Well.

    Hi Shawn,

    Aerate the RO thoroughly, mix, stir, or shake, whatever, ideally a small air pump and air stone during storage.

    A teaspoon of Barr’s GH booster will give you about 2-dGH and about 10-ppm Potassium.

    I would add another ¼ teaspoon of CaCl2.6H2O for another .6-dGH and I like the Chloride. If no Calcium chloride, ¼ teaspoon plaster of Paris.

    • If you wish a greater general hardness add more plaster of Paris or Calcium chloride, about .6-dGH per quarter teaspoon.

    I would add a light 1/5 teaspoon Baking soda, this will leave about 2-dKH.

    I also like dash of lemon juice, a dash of crushed vitamin C tab works.:confused:

    Raising sensitive plants or critters I like to match the water as closely as possible. :gw

    Biollante
     
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    Thank you!

    what volume of water are those doses for?

    I have an idea for storage, I plan to drill holes in the top of the 5 gallon containers lids, run an airline to the bottom with an airstone. Since they will no longer be water/air tight I will just have to be more careful when moving them.
     
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    *double post
     
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    Oops...

    Hi Shawn,

    Sorry,:eek: I was thinking (really hurts!:eek:) in terms of 5-gallon units as per your original post. :)

    Biollante
     
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    I would have to say without a doubt I have been under dosing my GH booster. I've been adding 1/2 tsp to 1 tsp per 15 gallons or so of RO.
     
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    KH Is A Bigger Deal Than GH, In This Case Anyway...

    Hi Shawn,

    I seriously doubt general hardness was a major problem, carbonate hardness is, perhaps another matter.:gw

    I do think consistent water management is important. :)

    I think I will try that TSS, TDS, organic versus inorganic and what we “see” with a TDS meter…:eek:

    Biollante
     
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    In AZ, some aquarium keepers just use half tap and half RO.
     
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    Well Mixed Tap & RO/DI Works Wonderfully Well!

    Hi,

    Actually the mix of tap, RO and DI water is what I use for the most part. :gw

    I find in keeping certain critters and certain plants when keeping the carbonate hardness under 2-dKH that reconstituting the water from DI is the most effective.:)

    Biollante
    ps. come to think of it I am in AZ so I was covered by Mr. Ramos' statement...:eek::eek:
     
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    I use RO to prevent fluctuations in water quality. My tap varies especially in the spring. My electric blue rams prefer the RO. Its not necessary for any plants.

    average ph of the tap is 9. it is hard water with a high kh.

    The tank isn't large so RO isn't tough.

    Regarding low GH dosing, could I have been low on calcium or magnesium?

    CO2 was the main reason for growth and algae issues recently.
     
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    Yes, Oh My Yes

    Hi Shawn,

    Yes your Calcium and magnesium levels would have been very low, even at the high end of your dosing. Something like, 6 or 7-ppm Ca and .25-ppm Mg. Not to mention the general hardness is just too low, less than .5-dGH.

    Mikrogeophagus ramirezi are among the critters I use de-ionized water (Two hydrogen atoms meet. One says, 'I've lost my electron.' The other says, 'Are you sure?' The first replies, 'Yes I am positive':D).:)

    Biollante
     
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    I will look into adding a DI filter unit to my RO setup.

    I had a chemistry professor who would have loved that joke. He had a "carbon dating" joke that ended with him trying to date the woman in the nuclear physics lab. I think I heard it 3 times in a single semester.
     
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    Why Haven't We Met Her? Are You Ashamed of Us-Silly Question-of Course You Are!

    Hi Shawn,

    DI water is nice though not entirely necessary.

    One thing I would consider if you get serious about DI or RO for that matter is putting some filtration ahead of the system. I like whole house sediment filters and carbon block; it is nice to get the big pieces and the corrosive stuff before they hit tour serious filters.:)

    Around here where it gets real hot and we have a frost line of about 2 centimeters so the water pipes are buried about 4 centimeters :eek: so we end up mixing hot water to cool the cold water.:rolleyes: Well the problem is that many filters and in particular, DI/RO filters do not like even warm water.:( Now I assume that is not a problem in the great frozen wastes, darn near Canada, eh? Where your frost line, is like 15 meters that should not be a problem.:)

    The next issue is water pressure and consistency of said pressure, a pressure pump can actually pay.

    What kind of TDS meter do you have? Tell me about it if you would?:confused:

    Do you have access to an analytical scale? :confused:

    Can you or someone you know boil water?:rolleyes:

    Are married yet? Does she know you are nuts? Can she haul water boil it for that matter? Are you registered at Marine Depot? Does she know you correspond with a potted plant? A little known fact is that EvilPlantMonsters are incredibly nosy creatures. :cool:

    What kind of reading (TDS) to you get from your tap? From your RO? Do you measure the TDS in your tank? If so could you tell me how you go about it and the results?

    Biollante
     
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    Hi Biollante

    May I ask, what it the Vitamin C and/or acetic acid is for?


    I'm going to send this joke to the head of the chemistry dept at the local college. I'm sure that he will like it! I like it too!!


    Thanks a bunch,
    Left C
     
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    Hoping This Makes It

    Hi Left C,


    Meant to answer this a while back… :eek:


    A little citrus juice (I prefer lemon juice:)), Vitamin C, what have you, “brightens” the water, whether the RO/DI water is for human, pet or plant consumption.


    The citrus juice/Vitamin C provides electrolytes and mixing action and being an anti-oxidant counters some of the other additions or impurities.:rolleyes:


    I am coming to see vitamin C or lemon juice as good choices for dechlorination of small tanks and/or tanks with sensitive critters.:)

    Given the outrageous price of commercial aquarium dechlorinators, that vitamin C doesn’t scavenge dissolved oxygen[SUP]*[/SUP] and probably some health benefit to the critters I think vitamin C is a reasonable alternative. Dose rate for Vitamin C is somewhat higher[SUP]**[/SUP] at 2.3-ppm for every 1-ppm of chlorine or chloramine[SUP]*** [/SUP]




    I am still not sure about adding vitamin C prophylactically as some do, but


    Biollante
    [SUP]*[/SUP]At least the literature I have seen. I can measure the DO decrease with
    Sodium Bisulfite (NaHSO[SUB]3[/SUB]), Sodium Sulfite (Na[SUB]2[/SUB]SO[SUB]3[/SUB]) and a smaller dip with Sodium Thiosulfate (Na[SUB]2[/SUB]S[SUB]2[/SUB]O[SUB]3[/SUB]) (Though this may be do to the slower apparent reaction time.)
    [SUP]**[/SUP]As compared to

    • Calcium Thiosulfate (CaS[SUB]2[/SUB]O[SUB]3[/SUB]) approximately 1 part to neutralize 1 part chlorine (at pH 7.3) The96-hourLC[SUB]50[/SUB] for fathead minnows is greater than 750 mg/L.

    • Sodium Metabisulfite (Na[SUB]2[/SUB]S[SUB]2[/SUB]O[SUB]5[/SUB]) approximately 1.4 parts of sodium metabisulfite to neutralize 1 part of free chlorine.

    • Sodium Bisulfite (NaHSO[SUB]3[/SUB]) 1.45 parts are required to neutralize 1 part of chlorine.

    • Sodium Sulfite (Na[SUB]2[/SUB]SO[SUB]3[/SUB]) 1.775 parts to neutralize 1 part of chlorine.

    • Sodium Thiosulfate (Na[SUB]2[/SUB]S[SUB]2[/SUB]O[SUB]3[/SUB]) about 2 parts to neutralize 1 part of chlorine (at aquarium pH).

    • Sodium Ascorbate about 2.8 parts to neutralize 1 part of chlorine to neutralize 1 part of chlorine
    [SUP]***[/SUP]Based on 4 or 5 parts chlorine to each part ammonia.
     
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    I have been crushing a vitamin C tab and adding it. I think the fish appreciate the changes made to how i prepare the RO water. I am seeing great color and active behavior.

    Wish I could have registered at marine depot!!! I'm going to use the lack of "male gift options" at such stores as Macy's and bed bath and beyond as a way to guilt my way into using some wedding money for aquarium stuff :) ssshhhh don't tell her it has been premeditated...



    The big day is friday, wish me luck!

    Thanks to you my tank is looking very nice and has been recovering from some of the issues, just in time for people to visit and see what I do with aquariums. Most have never seen a nicely planted tank. I can pretend that it is easy and has always looked good :D I have some ferns coming and some mosses which I think will really kick the look up a bit. Should be here before the wedding so I will have time to get them in, if not...they will float for a few days in a grow out tank.
     
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    Men’s First Rule of marriage… You can be right… OR… You can be happy

    Hi Shawn,

    I know folks that absolutely swear that a little Vitamin C once or twice a week does wonders, especially with color.:) Though I remain unconvinced, while Ascorbic acid is a vitamin, properly I suppose a vitamer for human beings it is not for many other animals.

    In the aquaculture community Ascorbic acid is gaining wider acceptance as a nutritional prophylaxis, I think principally with salmonoids, so perhaps as a food additive…:confused:

    I have been using the lemon juice trick for quite a while, maybe a year or so ago started evaluating various citrus juices (we have a lot of citrus around here!), Vitamin C (L-ascorbic acid), I even used cabbage!:eek:

    It has been suggested that some of the positive results with citrus juices may well be the “bioflavonoids,” I don’t know anything about “bioflavonoids,” so I’ll leave that for now.:eek:

    I wish you all the best on your marriage! :gw:cool:

    If you are going to play the guilt card, play it soon, before the girlfriend/wife transition…:rolleyes:

    Be happy!
    Biollante


     
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    i've switched to the lemon juice, the vitamin C tabs leave some sort of residue. Maybe some additive to constitute the tab.

    the guilt trip failed horribly. she had to go and counter my reasoning with more practical matters. not as much fun, but probably a better idea.
     
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    Oh That Girlfriend/Wife Transition Happens Fast!


    Hi Shawn,

    Congratulations on your marriage
    :gw, obviously you have her fooled so far…:p

    The Vitamin C tablets are held together with starch filler, if you carefully weigh the tablets, the weight should be greater than the total vitamin content; a 500 mg tablet should weigh more than half a gram.

    In the olden days, corn starch was the most popular binder, I do not know what is used these days.
    :confused:

    Biollante
     
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