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geektom's sanity tank

Discussion in 'Journals' started by geektom, Jul 16, 2017.

  1. geektom

    geektom Junior Poster

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    That is whole reason I started the 20! To keep me sane while I️ wait to put that 150g beauty into action. It is 30” deep! (drool)


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    The new tank aside, you're going to LOVE having a second grow out/misc tank. Even when all I had was a second 20H I could not imagine being without it.

    That 150 is gonna be suh weet!
     
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    Thanks! Yes- I am super excited. And I already feel addicted to the extra tank- just knowing I will always have a place I can put a few stems of something if I need it, and not having to throw anything out.
     
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    Man- the ammonia in the grow out tank is taking forever to go away.

    I am consoling myself by looking at the top-down view of the 20g.

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    Very nice


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    Random, off schedule update:

    Tank is doing ok- some things I am happy with, others I am not.

    I have made up new batches of EI ferts, using larger bottles and eliminating the K2SO4. I have increased the KNO3 appropriately to ensure I am still getting 7.5ppm K in my dosing.

    Staying with 1/2 dose of CSM+B for now to track effect on Staurogyne repens and AR Mini.

    Since I am not planning on keeping the P. stellata, I hacked the tops off to make more room for the L. repens and pantanal to get light. You can see the L. repens has grown a couple of inches and is holding nice color.

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    New S. repens growth is coming in nicely- you can see where I placed some Pogo erectus tissue culture out in the light. Once they get taller, I will pull the stellata out altogether and replace it with the erectus.

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    Proof that pantanal is so sensitive, even talking about it makes an impact: 1 week after complaining about mine not splitting, I have a nice side shoot. A couple of little nubbins can be seen on the other stalks, too.

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    AR Mini has been mixed- some stalks are growing quickly and with nice colors- others remain stunted, with tightly curled leaves.

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    Whatever this plant is, blyxa or dwarf sag or ?, it is taking off and spreading runners frequently. It is also getting some algae- time to trim it way back.

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    I love the way the aromatica Mini looks in the tank- and its slow, steady growth rate.

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    Building up the grow out tank with trimmings I am getting here and there- it is still cycling though, and I think it is impacting the plants. I can’t seem to clear up the cloudiness. They are growing, but nothing is really thriving. I definitely don’t love the Beamswork light as much as the Finnex on the 20g.

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    The best place to see Fall colors in Riverside, CA is my tank!

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    I don’t normally take a picture from farther back, but this is my view from my couch. Notice I pulled the P. stellata out- the grass like plant could almost fill the space by itself, but I still want to try P. erectus. You can see in the 2nd picture that the little tissue culture nubbins are growing.

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    Can anyone help me figure out why my grow out tank is taking so long to be plant-friendly? Most of the plants I am putting in there are melting almost immediately. It is still cycling, but ammonia is not crazy high- about .50 ppm, so the plants should be eating that up, right? pH is 6.5 at peak CO2, the Beamswork light seems plenty bright, even though I don’t love how “cold” the color is. I used a different organic soil than when I did my 20g tank- is it possible there is some problem there? Stumped- I have never had melt like this in any tank I have ever had.

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    Also, FWIW, I have already been through the diatom bloom, and have very little algae happening.


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    The only thing that saved some of my plants from dying during a cycle was multiple and larger water changes. Maybe do a 90% change? Are plants very resistant to nitrite? There's probably a lot of that in the water.

    Edit - The really odd thing was when I setup a low tech tank, no co2, just excel, same aquasoil, everything went fine, the plants grew a lot, nothing died even though I did maybe a 50% change once a week for the first two months. Ammonia and nitrites were high. Granted I used different plants, not tissue cultured ones, but from another aquarium, fresh. The tanks had different water, the ones that the plants didn’t die had a KH of around 8, my tank where things dies had somewhere around 1 knows, I’m not really sure why things behaved the way they did, I’m not blaming the high tech setup, but I have always wondered why... maybe the plants just weren’t as healthy.
     
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    Well, looks like the grow out tank is finally cycled. Hopefully should be able to start *growing* some plants now, instead of just melting them.

    Because of that, took the 3 Siamese Algae Eaters from the 20g and moved them over to the grow out tank (along with a few amanos) and replaced them with 5 Oto’s, which better fit the style and size of the 20g. Had to pull out almost all the stems to catch the SAE, lol.

    So, since I had all the stems out, I took the time to trim and replant the L. repens- should develop into a nice , dense patch.

    I also pulled out the L. arcuata completely- it never really did anything. It is in the grow out tank now.

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    Trimmed the pantanal to attempt to arrange the crowns in a more pleasing way. It will all race to the top by next week, but it always looks nice for a few days. Found a couple more side-stems, too.

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    The AR Mini continues to do pretty well, considering it gets the least amount of light of anything in the tank. Still getting some curled leaves- can’t seem to make an impact on that.

    Pulled the brown crypt out and replaced it with some flamingo tissue culture- we’ll see. Worst case scenario, I will just turn all the space over to the aromatica Mini.

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    Trimmed (hacked) the mystery plant to encourage some algae-free growth- and it immediately sent out a new runner. It is a trooper.

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    After a nice start, my Moss has stalled- it doesn’t love the rocks and is having a hard time attaching. The crazy glue makes it stick at first, but eventually breaks free, leaving the hard, white glue clumps attached. Right now I just pick them up as they fall off and gently try to push them into staying without adding more glue.

    Open to any suggestions.

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    Raid someone’s sewing kit, take the rocks out and tie the moss to the stones using thread. It’s more labour intensive, it will take multiple wraps, but it won’t come free, and it won’t damage the moss at all. After it’s established you can cut the thread and slip it out of the moss. A darker coloured thread is harder to see.
     
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    Thanks! Yeah, that is for sure the old-school way to go- and how I would have done it if I had added the moss in the beginning.

    Worst-case scenario I will do that- I have quite a bit of substrate being held up by the rocks, though.


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    I can’t figure out what is going wrong with the grow-out tank. I am still getting continual melt, even though the tank is well cycled and water parameters are literally the same as my other tank. The guppies and amanos I added two weeks ago are doing great.

    I am going to start adding/changing one element at a time, starting with adding more light this week (2 x 24w T5HO) in addition to the Beamswork LED strip.

    I am not getting algae- just melt- so that is why I am starting with lighting.

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    Try using a hair net for the moss. Can probably find a color close to the rocks.

    Thinly spread the moss out where you want it to be then put the hair net over the whole thing. Twist it up on the bottom side of the rocks to secure it.
     
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    That is a great idea. I have been avoiding ideas that require taking the rocks out, but if I am going to do it, that makes great sense.

    I will post some updated pictures of the 20g tomorrow- it is a bit of a mess right now. I have been letting it grow out on purpose, but as a result I have ended up with some algae.


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    Update on the 20g: as you can see, it is a bit of a mess. Going to take some time today to seriously clean every surface and pull out all the leaves that are dying and/or having algae.

    You can see in the pictures I am getting little BBA- need to take care of that, pronto.

    I will be cutting back on light period for the first time. I wonder if pulling out the Pogo stellata is allowing too much nutrients to be available for algae?

    The Pogo erectus tissue culture is coming along nicely, the L. repens is growing in nicely, and ironically, after complaining about it, the mini Xmas tree miss is filling in. Apparently I just need to post a complaint about a particular plant and it feels bad and bounces back, lol. First the pantanal and now the moss.

    Love the way the aromatica mini is coming in- as soon as the grow out tank gets figured out, I will be able to Start propagating it.

    Cheers!

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    Ok, all cleaned up again!

    Stoked that I am getting a pretty nice thicket of pantanal, finally.

    Once I finally get the height and bushy look I am hoping for from the stems- if I scale back the CO2 and ferts, will it effectively slow down the growth so that I can enjoy it a bit longer between trimming?

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    Hi Tom, how are you? are some of these beauties keeping up your sanity?

    How about a mid ground behind the repens and in front of the rock?
     
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