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Ferts/Non CO2 Tank

Discussion in 'Advanced Strategies and Fertilization' started by jonathan11, Jun 24, 2005.

  1. jonathan11

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    I have a 15 gallon, flourite substrate, 1.5-2 watt/gallon tank. My question has to do with ferts to be added. To assure healthy plant growth FIRST, I would like to use ferts and Flourish Excel to assist plant growth, even water changes, if necessary. What would be the proper amount of potassium nitrate and phosphate to be added to the tank? And what amount (mls) and times a week should Excel be added? Is it better to add ferts 2x a week, or 3x? Does this added frequency (3x) require additional Excel, and if so, how much? What about the addition of micros, CSM+B (1tsp/167mls)- should this be added, and at what frequency? Would a periodic water change be required, and if so, what frequency and quantity would be needed? After using EI, and experiencing the fantastic plant growth, I'm a little hesitant now to underdose, and bring on algae, etc. I would rather put in a little more nutrients and work initially than have to combat algae due to poor plant growth. :gw :D :D
     
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    Re: Ferts/Non CO2 Tank

    I dose excel in my 15s every day: 1.5-2ml a day. I dose macros and micros
    twice weekly: starting on Sunday with WC is macros, then Monday, micros,
    skip Tue-Wed, Thur-macros, Fri-micros, skip Saturday, then back to WC
    Sunday with macros. Just started using Flourish and I like what I'm seeing....

    Bill

    ps forgot to add that on WC day I dose 8ml Excel.
     
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    Re: Ferts/Non CO2 Tank

    Bill- What quantity (mls) of macros and micros do you dose? Is it always the same, no difference whether it's W/C day or not? Is your W/C 50%? How much and when do you use Flourish? Thx for the reply!!! :gw :D :D

    Walter
     
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    Re: Ferts/Non CO2 Tank

    Bill, is your fert routine is based on a CO2 injected tank? How much light?

    If it is CO2 injected and high light, then I wouldn't use the same routine with a low/medium light non CO2 tank...
     
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    My lighting is just (2) 13w cf on the 15s, which is why I only fert twice
    weekly macros/micros. I do WCs on Sunday mainly to rid the tops of the
    tanks the scum that forms from the Excel. I've changed from 50% to maybe
    20-30%, depending on how trashy the bottoms of the tanks are. I dose
    Flourish 1-2mls on micro days, and 1/32 to 1/16tsp KNO3 and 1/64tsp KH2PO4
    (about 1/2 of this, so 1/128tsp:) which gives me good results with the
    tapwater I have. On WC days I also dose CaCl2 and MgSO4, sparingly: 2-3
    small chunks to 1-2 crystals correspondingly, but probably don't need to
    judging from my combined hardness of 14. I used to use a scale to measure
    dry ferts, but in realworld terms when you have to get ready for work in the
    morning (which is when I like to dose both ferts and excel), this works for me.

    Bill
     
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    Bill, thanks for the reply. I do have a couple of questions, I don't want to be a pain, but I was wondering. Do you dose 1.5-2.0 mls Excel on your off days (3&4)? Also, on the micros, do you dose twice a week 1/128 tsp of KH2PO4 for a total of 1/64 KH2PO4 per week? Do you also dose 1/32 to 1/16 KNO3 twice a week for a weekly total of 1/16 to 1/8 tsp per week? Trying to establish a baseline here, and out tanks are similar. Have noticed a n improvement in plant growth since I began the regimen. Also, from personal experience, how do you like the Flourish as opposed to CSM+B? Been using CSM, and can't complain, but I'm open to any suggestions if there is visible evidence that Flourish may work better. :gw :D :D
     
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    Re: Ferts/Non CO2 Tank

    Walter, that's a "yes" to all the tsp/fert questions. I've been dosing 3 times
    weekly with Flourish on days of no macros. There's a lot of stuff in Flourish
    and some of my plants are responding better to it than what I was using
    before. I also like TMG and need to order some more from Bigalsonline. The
    Excel I dose every day 1-2ml and on WC days it is 8ml (or more) on the 15s
    and 5-6mls on the 10s. As I said before, this is what works with the tapwater
    I have: GH-8, KH-6, TDS-175, PH-7.5

    HTH,

    Bill
     
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