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Fablau 75 gallon tank

Discussion in 'Journals' started by fablau, Jan 28, 2017.

  1. Jason King

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    Was thinkng the same fab :)


    I can add them tomorrow just let me know.


    All three are dry powders


    Co2 Art Trace


    Fe 8.2% (EDTA Chelated)


    Mn 1.82% (EDTA Chelated)


    Zn 1.16% (EDTA Chelated)


    B 1.05%


    Cu 0.23% (EDTA Chelated)


    Mo 0.15%


    Aquarium Plant Food Trace


    Fe 8.2% (EDTA Chelated)


    Mn 1.82% (EDTA Chelated)


    Zn 1.16% (EDTA Chelated)


    B 1.05%


    Cu 0.23% (EDTA Chelated)


    Mo 0.15%


    TNC Trace


    Fe 8.4% (EDTA)


    Mn 1.82% (EDTA),


    Zn 1.16% (EDTA),


    B 1.05%,


    Cu 0.23% (EDTA),


    Mo 0.15%
     
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  2. Jason King

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    Ok back to Fablau's thread :)
     
  3. fablau

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    Hey Jason, I updated the files on my laptop and was going to upload them on rotalabutterfly.com, but I see you must have changed the FTP password? Please, PM me and let me know... I have the files ready! Thanks :)


    By the way, great team work guys!
     
  4. fablau

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    Got it in the email give me a minute... thanks ;)
     
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    Done Jason, 3 new elements added to the DIY section. Thank you again you all guys!
     
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    Ah, of course I removed the mix I added yesterday in the "Pre-mixed" section, I thought that was a liquid mix. ;)


    Also, I see we had already TNC Trace Elements, which has different values... is that something different for real?
     
  7. Jason King

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    TNC also do a premixed liquid lite and a all in one complete version, I'll get the details later today.
     
  9. fablau

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    Thanks Jason. I have also removed "TNC Traces" and left "TNC Trace Elements" because they where exactly the same stuff.
     
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    Small update


    Yesterday I got a new nitrates test kit (I got the one from Seachem this time instead than the usual API which I hate because too hard to use), and I measured nitrates again before water change, and, well, still too low! Test result gave again 5-10 ppm and this time I tested with the reference solution this test kit provides (very convenient!)


    How can that be possible?? The only thing I can think of is Purigen, that I have been having in the filter for the past month or so... can that really be? Can Purigen take nitrates out?? So... I removed it yesterday together with some carbon I put trying to reduce organics due to consisten BBA, and I will test again in 1 week. I am dosing over 21 ppm No3 per week, so that value must go up... your thoughts on this?
     
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    Purigen and Carbon both remove organics which eventually result in increase in nitrates after bacteria breaks it down. So you will get a uptick in nitrates but plants are consuming what they want. There is a guy on FB who is double dosing EI but his nitrates is still bottoming out.


    the only other suspect is ceramic media in canisters which can denitrate if anaerobic bacteria grows.
     
  12. fablau

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    Well, what I see is the opposite: less nitrates in the water. Never happened before, and I have even less plant mass than I used to... unless something weird is going on with my old substrate and, yes, old bio media in my sump, but is that possibly happened all of a sudden??!! Weird... anyway, I'll measure again in 1 week and see if there is any difference. Thanks for your posting Rajkm!
     
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    Fab just wanna say thanks for all the work you and Jason do on the calculator. Its a big help to me and Im sure tons of other people too.


    Fwiw Purigen has never seemed to affect nitrate levels in my tanks.
     
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    By bacteria breaking it down means it breaks down organics in water column. Once Purigen or Carbon absorb it, there is no further breakdown from bacterial activity and can result in lower nitrates. That is one of the selling points of them, because many people use it to increase duration between water changes.
     
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    Purigen is using to shrimp tanks for lowering no3...
     
  16. Jason King

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    Thanks Burr, over time the calc will get even better :) lots of plans and ideas ahead and it's also thanks to the users feedback and of course Flores (wet) for the original one.
     
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    Purigen.. Small partial quote from seachem

     
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    With almost half a foot of substrate depth, there is plenty of anaerobic denitrification going on, but this process needs a carbon source. This is a possible explanation.


    The other thought is that with all those stems plants, your tank could easily be consuming 2-3 ppm nitrates per day.
     
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    Other than curiosity, why pursue this? 5-10 ppm nitrate is enough for most plants.


    Again, consider pulling all plants out, tossing out half your substrate and vacuum the other half. Re-plant two-thirds of the stems back. It's a 2-hour job. But I think worth your time.
     
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    I've always wondered how to do this for old tanks. When half the substrate is tossed, do you add in new substrate? How much would you say could be added without making the inhabitants uncomfortable?
     
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