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Electronic Algae Inhibitor

Discussion in 'General Plant Topics' started by tiger15, Jan 1, 2018.

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    I would recommend this thread:
    https://www.ukaps.org/forum/threads/twinstar-what-is-it.28335/

    Keep in mind the source of some comments as in some posts you have a guy who sells this stuff and another who receives equipment for free for reviews (and would like to receive more in the future). But overall it has all the points of view covered. Enjoy the read.
     
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    Mines almost here in the mail. The thing is just an electrolysis unit, so you should be generating hydrogen and oxygen gas, splitting water apart. I guess the fact that it happens on the molecular scale makes the bubbles very fine.

    Apparently gets rid of surface scum better than an eheim 350 skim. Time will tell.
     
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    It get limestone fast on the grill and work bad when limestone is on.

    It does not prevent of bba or cyano
    And maybe not other algae also

    I have test It for months and stop It cause the work of clean It for no good results had no sense
     
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    So I've been using my unit for a while now, I will say it doesn't replace my skimmer unfortunately. I will get some film when this runs by itself. On the instructions it says the water needs to be below 400tds for it to function properly. @Oursaunougat what is your tds?

    I have it running on the settings the manual suggests for a 60-90L tank. That means it cycles on 3 times per hour.

    I notice the shrimp are more energetic with the addition of a little more O2, so that is nice. Worth it in my opinion for that reason.
     
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    I have had multiple tds cause i have tried full ro and tap water so tds some Time was 340 and other about 600

    I think It can as you say add some o2 in the système but that is all, to my opinion.
     
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    I've used one for a couple of years now - the original TwinStar version.

    I think the general consensus is that, yes, it helps to keep algae under control but only as an aid to good tank maintenance.
    In the same way It helps to keep the water clear, and is probably the ultimate cut price oxygen generator.

    Aside from the immediate benefit of oxygenating the water column, the O2 it produces helps with biological filtration as well; O2 is the primary metric in biological filtration.
    Also more O2 perhaps means that there is a bit more wriggle room when it comes to getting your CO2 right - maybe not so stressful for your critters.

    So overall I think it makes a significant contribution to the stability, and health of the tank and the critters and plants in it.
     
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    I agree with Tim, but it does not kill or stop algae.
    They need to focus on the other attributes.
    Adds O2 etc.

    Instead they cook up a myth and use that to sell it.
    Not a good idea.
     
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    I just bought a Twinstar from AquaForest. One of the folks there said it will help in terms of algae prevention but not a panacea.
    I do like the O2 part, since that should help overall health.

    Having seen several youtube DIY videos it does seem that the Chihiros which is a lot cheaper can/will build up more Ca deposits than the Twinstar.
    I've come across 2 reports of these devices killing fish...both guys said they are adding salt to their tanks...I don't know if there is any reaction due to Na/Cl in the water, or if it is just a coincidence or due to setting it too high and excessive O2.

    These devices work on simple dc electrolysis....so what I'm surprised by is why Neptune Apex (or anyone else) isnt just selling the grid with a dc power supply, and run the timer(varying based on tank size/etc) on the Apex....seems it would cost a lot less than the twinstar.
     
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    Apex with an O2 probe to control O2 would be nice.

    Probes could be made better and last much longer, not get corroded etc.
    But the Twinstar and the knock off both have the same amount of lime depositing.

    Just part of the process and the only way around it is to use cathodic protection.
    Basically, corrosion occurs at the Magnesium (The sacrificial anode) rather than the probe surfaces. You would replace the Mg metal as it wears down.
    Aluminum, Mg and Zn are much more electronegative than Steel etc.
    If you had steel attached to say copper, then the steel would corrode instead..........

    Company could still sell the anodes..........instead of the probes.........or the buyer could by the protection and replace the entire probe, those run 15-20 and last maybe a year or so.
    15-20$ for a year's worth of safe easy to use O2 gas?

    Sounds like a good deal to me.

    Algae inhibitor/control? That's rubbish.
    Amano shrimp do a far better job.
     
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    Are you suggesting that we could suggest solder a Mg piece to the existing twinstar "reactor" and thus avoid the lime deposition issues?
     
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    I clean mine weekly in a solution of citric acid...1x teaspoon of citric acid per 100ml water. 2 hours soaking.
     
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    How long have you had it? What's your experience with it?
    Thanks for the citric acid tip....I'll do that too.
     
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