EI and too high nitrates

quenton

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I have been dosing using EI -- a 55g and a 22g (real not nominal).

Total for both

3/4 tsp KNO3 3x a week.

this was based on the EI-Light note as well as some of my own calculations based on the fertilator.

Anyway, I decided to check the NO3 in my 22g tank -- 4 days after a 50% water change and 2 of the 3/4 tsp KNO3 doses (1/4 for the 22g tank -- I mix the 3/4 in fresh water and split it 1/3 and 2/3).

The NO3 measurment looked between 40 and 80ppm (the API test kit is a bit difficult in that region, the 2 colours are about the same). Anyway, I did another 50% water change and after 30min tested the NO3 and found it at 20ppm. This was my target.

Seems to me that if these results are even near accurate I should not be dosing KNO3 at all??

My ammonia and nitrite are 0 in both tanks. I tested this because the 22g has 2 Bala's and they were headstanding and rolling -- and a couple of web sites suggested nitrate shock.

(my test kit is new and expiry is a couple of years from now).

(edit -- forgot this )
I tested my tap water, and shows 0 nitrates -- which matches the cities specs as well.
 

fosteder

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Re: EI and too high nitrates

Don't believe the test kit. Make a stock solution to test the test kit. Use RO or distilled water and a measured amount of KNO3. USe a dosing calculator to figure out what the solution should be in terms of ppm. The test with the testkit.

Regards.
 

quenton

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Re: EI and too high nitrates

fosteder said:
Don't believe the test kit. Make a stock solution to test the test kit. Use RO or distilled water and a measured amount of KNO3. USe a dosing calculator to figure out what the solution should be in terms of ppm. The test with the testkit.

Regards.

OK -- never thought of that -- too bad I'm at work -- this will have to wait until tonight.

Thanks.
 

colonel

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I will also add in that It probably really isnt a good Idea to dose like that becuase its pure estimation.... just about like if you were to just sprinkle some powder out of the bag until you dumped what seemed like 3/4 of a teaspoon in. It would probably be a lot better to measure the amount for each tank and not just combine it and add most to one and the rest to the other.
 

quenton

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Re: EI and too high nitrates

colonel said:
I will also add in that It probably really isnt a good Idea to dose like that becuase its pure estimation.... just about like if you were to just sprinkle some powder out of the bag until you dumped what seemed like 3/4 of a teaspoon in. It would probably be a lot better to measure the amount for each tank and not just combine it and add most to one and the rest to the other.

My measuring bottle is marked in 1/3rds, carefully meassured. Pouring that amount might get a bit too much or too little, the percent would be very small, probably on the order of 5% or less.

Consider adding 1/24 of a teaspon of a powder to something and consider the error that is likely there. Consider on the other hand adding 1/8 of a tsp (I have a 1/8 tsp) to a large bottle and then splitting that into 3rds. I do it this way to increase accuracy.

If I was always adding 1/4 or 1/2 or even 1/8, then I would not bother with the single bottle and splitting that -- but some are 1/8 or 3/16 for the tank total. The tank volumns have been computed quite accurately at the first fill with rocks/driftwood/substrate -- and are in fact almost exactly 1/3 and 2/3.
 

quenton

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Re: EI and too high nitrates

fosteder said:
Don't believe the test kit. Make a stock solution to test the test kit. Use RO or distilled water and a measured amount of KNO3. USe a dosing calculator to figure out what the solution should be in terms of ppm. The test with the testkit.

Regards.

OK -- I did the following
- 1/2 tsp KNO3 into 20ml of water -- used 4ml of the result. This should
give me 1/10 tsp of KNO3
- chucks calc says 0.1tsp of KNO3 gives 21.6ppm in 10L of water
- I added the above 4ml (1/10tsp) to 10L of 0-NO3 water -- result looked
like it could be about 20ppm Nitrate -- but the *&^$ test kit the 20ppm
and 40ppm colours are the same (not just my blindness, I asked 2 others
in the family who did not know what it was about).
- so if we believe this (lets do that), I tested my tank which I thought was
40 to 80ppm, and guess what -- the colours in the two test tubes
side-by-side are identical

OK, so I don't have terribly high nitrates -- I just have un-coordinated
Balas (or sick ones -- they seem find otherwise). Since this is supposed
to be my quarantine tank (it looks to good for that!) -- I will just leave
them there for a while and see what happens.

Thanks for all the help.

By the way -- as an aside, I also post/read another forum which has
probably 500x or more the posts that this one has. However -- I get
at least 1000x the quality of info and advice from this one -- so on that
other topic of "paying" -- its well worth every cent. Thanks to all.
 

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Re: EI and too high nitrates

quenton said:
By the way -- as an aside, I also post/read another forum which has
probably 500x or more the posts that this one has. However -- I get
at least 1000x the quality of info and advice from this one -- so on that
other topic of "paying" -- its well worth every cent. Thanks to all.

Thanks,

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