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Eco Complete Black with Brown rocks and Manzanita wood

Discussion in 'Sediment / Substrate' started by rs18alpha, Aug 27, 2017.

  1. rs18alpha

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    Is any one using Eco Black substrate with Brown rocks and Manzanita wood?
    I want to try this but I don't know how it will look.

    Also, how is this for growing plants?
     
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    Same as inert practically.
     
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    So, if it's inert, why do people say it's a good substrate. Will it work fore plants?
    If I go with ADA Aquasoil I have to replace it every few years and that's a hassel.
     
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    Any substrate (ok lets not get carried away) will work for plants. Even no substrate will for some.
    Every few years (ask pikez, I think its like five) wont be as much of a hasstle as you think. Plus AS is worth it imo.
     
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    If I go with ADA do I still need to dose the water?
     
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    usually yes.
     
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    Can I assume that all substrates will break down eventually, even if we're dosing the water the hole time?
    Question: So if I dose the water and use root tabs and use CO2 I could get away with Eco or say Flourite?
    I've seen a lot of vids were people have had good success using Eco and Flourite.
    I just can't make up my mind. Someone says the Eco is good or the Flourite is good as well.
    Question: can you vacuum the the ADA? I've herd you can't vacuum Fluval Stratum and isn't it just like the ADA?
     
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    I don't vacuum any of my substrates...
    Fluval stratum, isn't my field... couldn't say anything about that. But no they are not the same I don't think.
    Eco and Flourite (now I can answer these...!) I don't suggest buying at all, fluorite does break down eventually, eco not so much.

    I suggest you just use PFS, cheaper, and if you dose the water (root tabs optional... definitely not required) as required, then you'll be with less problems just doing that. And maybe even better growth depending on how you do things.
     
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    I have used eco-complete and it works great for plants. Not as good as soil substrates but still better than sand.
    Eco-complete and Flourite have high CEC so that's why it's recommended over just using sand.
     
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    Hey DutchMuch, what's PFS?
     
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    Pool Filter Sand.
     
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    I use both Eco and Flourite. Water column EI dosing. CO2 and non-CO2. Over ten years and neither has broken down. Seems there are some advantages to ADA, I just haven't gone there yet. I do grow a lot of weeds :)
     
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    To your original question, yes it will look nice. Eco is rather annoying as it isn't soley black in color, there are impurities. It will not breakdown and yes you do need to dose the water column, you need to do that with any substrate unless your substrate is made with organic material like dirt/potting mix. AS you can do without dosing for a while, however, this is all contingent on your use of co2. Without a sufficient amount of carbon, the plants uptake of nutrients will be much slower, and will not exhaust your substrate as quickly. Another factor is your plant selection, what are you looking to plant? For instance anubias, java fern, and mosses/floating plants don't require substrate.
     
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    Thanks for the info bshenanagins, but I decided to go with ADA.
     
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    Cool good choice, I'm poor so I stick with the dirt!
     
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    Well, now I've decided to go with something else. The ADA just costs to much.
    I don't want to us sand so I don't know what to try. Any ideas??
    Also do you use any substrate additives under your sand?
     
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