Dual Stage Regulators

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The vernier caliper handles are really nice also, better than a bubble counter in many ways.

I'm going to DIY some good long bubble counters out of solid all Acrylic today later on.

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The ebay seller 'thetoolcribguy' has a bunch of VTS450D regs for $19.99 + $13.95 shipping. I'm pretty sure all you would have to do is change out the nut to a CGA-320 fitting correct?

I've seen those for less than $20.00 if that's the case you could get a decent dual stage reg for about $50 after some sweat and labor.

- Brad
 

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bradac56;43678 said:
The ebay seller 'thetoolcribguy' has a bunch of VTS450D regs for $19.99 + $13.95 shipping. I'm pretty sure all you would have to do is change out the nut to a CGA-320 fitting correct?

I've seen those for less than $20.00 if that's the case you could get a decent dual stage reg for about $50 after some sweat and labor.

- Brad

Yeah, you would need a CGA-320 fitting if it doesn't have one already. A couple weeks ago that seller had those listed for $9.99 and after I posted about those regs being available on the pimp thread he bumped the price up by $10. Weird...its like someone is tipping off the eBay sellers to raise their prices.
 

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Good find bradac56!

Those are good deals. I just picked up one from another dealer. It's a new VTS450D-326 (0781-4013).

Mine has a 0-100 PSI low pressure gauge. It should work well for our use, but it is a bit heavy. The regulator weighs around 7½ pounds unassembled.

Some "D model" Victor regulators have a 0 to 200 PSI low pressure gauge. This is at the upper limit of what that we can use. The low flow of these regulators that we commonly use are at the low point of their control. I haven't had any problem's with my "D model" (VTS253D-320) at all, but I wouldn't go with the "E" models" and beyond. The "A" through "D" models will work for our use. My preference would be the "A model" and then the "B model" and so forth.

I would get this one if I was looking for one. It has a 0 to 60 PSI low pressure gauge. Item number: 110460637649
http://cgi.ebay.com/Victor-Compress...emQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item19b7f791d1

All of those listed would need a CGA-320 nipple and nut.

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Sadly, many ebay sellers know about the demand for dual stage regulators from the Victor thread. They have raised their prices accordingly. Few know about this site, though. Hopefully, because the Victor thread is closed at TPT, the prices may come down. I have my fingers crossed.
 

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$34.00 is a reasonable price without the CGA-320 fitting in my opinion so it's not that bad. I just brought it up encase someone is looking for a decent deal.

- Brad
 

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bradac56;43686 said:
$34.00 is a reasonable price without the CGA-320 fitting in my opinion so it's not that bad. I just brought it up encase someone is looking for a decent deal.

- Brad
This is very true. They are very good deals for excellent HD regulators. Accodring to what I know, all of them will work very well.

I wish that my VTS450D was in operation. It will soon be going once I get the CGA320 fitting and a solenoid for it. I have Vernier caliber Swagelok, Nupro and Parker metering valves as well as chrome plated 52-1-12 Ideal metering valves for it. I also have a JBJ BC for it.
 

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Left C, If I purchase the kit from oregon aqua design will I need other fittings?

I forgot to mention I received the reg last night :D Boy is it big and heavy...
 

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eiginh;43691 said:
Left C, If I purchase the kit from oregon aqua design will I need other fittings?
Hi eiginh

To my knowledge, you will not need any extra fittings with Jeremy's Fabco valve, Clippard solenoid, JBJ BC, etc kit unless you assemble it differently or there is a mistake.

Be sure that you order the optional Fabco valve. The stock Clippard needle valve is really bad.

Jeremy has a note on his site that says that the JBJ bubble counter is not available at this time. You can click on "no bubble counter" in the ordering section. This way you will get an inline BC, but not the JBJ BC and save $10. I like inline BC's better than JBJ or Milwaukee BC's which are designed to be mounted on the regulator after the solenoid.

Jeremy could even have the JBJ BC's now. Should you want to get a JBJ BC, Fabco needle valve, Clippard solenoid and the kit, let Jeremy know and you should be fine.

You could also purchase Jeremy's kit for use with the Fabco valve if you ordered your BC elsewhere.

You can order the JBJ BC from AquaticMagic.com. http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_tr...=jbj+bubble+counter&_sacat=See-All-Categories

Getting Jeremy's kit with the Fabco valve and JBJ BC should only be a minor problem. You will have to contact Jeremy concerning parts availability.

If it was my regulator, I would use a Clippard or Burkert (maybe a Parker that is on ebay.) solenoid, an Ideal, Swagelok, Nupro or Whitey needle/metering valve and any of the three solenoids mentioned with a BC mounted inline and not on the needle/metering valve.

I wish you good luck with your regulator and kit. SuMo has a better kit than OAD's which includes the JBJ BC, Clippard solenoid, Ideal metering valve, CO2 tubing, Clippard brass check valve and pipe dope. It is $80 to $100 more, though.

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eiginh;43691 said:
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I forgot to mention I received the reg last night :D Boy is it big and heavy...
I'm glad that you got it.

VTS450 and VTS453 regulators sure are big "mama jamers."

I haven't mounted mine at this point in time, but I'm going to only use it on 20# CO2 cylinders. It will easily topple 5# aluminum CO2 cylinders. I'm not sure about 5# steel cylinders. I don't have any 10# cylinders to test and compare.

I'm going to use a 1/4" Clippard solenoid, 1/4" fittings, a 1/4' Swagelok medium flow metering valve with a Vernier caliper handle, a 1/4" x 1/8" reducer and a JBJ BC.
 

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Left C;43696 said:
This way you will get an inline BC, but not the JBJ BC and save $10. I like inline BC's better than JBJ or Milwaukee BC's which are designed to be mounted on the regulator after the solenoid.

If it was my regulator, I would use a Clippard or Burkert (maybe a Parker that is on ebay.) solenoid, an Ideal, Swagelok, Nupro or Whitey needle/metering valve and any of the three solenoids mentioned with a BC mounted inline and not on the needle/metering valve.

Left C

Hey Left C,

I am gonna be getting an inline BC, which do you (or anyone else) recommend? :)

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bradac56;43686 said:
$34.00 is a reasonable price without the CGA-320 fitting in my opinion so it's not that bad. I just brought it up encase someone is looking for a decent deal.

- Brad

I agree it still is a good deal :)

Just sucks that some prices got raised, then people would be getting even better deals!
 

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S&KGray;43698 said:
Hey Left C,

I am gonna be getting an inline BC, which do you (or anyone else) recommend? :)

Thanks
I like an inline BC.

- Without one you don't have to mount the regulator upright like you do with an attached BC.
- You don't have to worry about breaking the BC when it tips over or it hits something.
- Your regulator and CO2 cylinder will probably be under the stand out of view.
- Inline BC's can be attached on the outside of the stand making it easy to check on them.
- You can easily mount a straight through or an angled needle/metering valve without the use of elbows.

I use AquaMedic's BC's. I have them mounted on my wooden aquarium stands with 4 screws. Many people hate them. They do have a few quirks and I will tell you how to fix them. I replaced the stock tubing and check valve. The tubing is too loose and the check valve is plastic. Unscrew the blue elbow and use either Teflon tape or pipe joint compound to seal it up. It leaks CO2 if you don't. I use Marine Depot's BC fluid instead of water. The directions that come with this AM BC tell you how to put on the top. Follow those directions exactly and you won't have any trouble. I use Clippard check valves before and after the BC. Mine have been running for over 3 years and I haven't had to do any type of maintenance, refill the BC's or anything. Sometimes they are on ebay at good prices. I picked one up for $1.50 with free shipping. It was a customer return that was missing the stock tubing and check valve. This was fine with me as I was planning on removing them anyway.

Here is the AM BC. If you are using a very high bubble count, this BC will be too small.
AqualineBubbleCounter.jpg


Here is my VTS253A-1993 with a Clippard solenoid and an Ideal 52-1-12 metering valve. You can see how easy it is to assemble without an attached BC.
VTS253A-1993ClippardSolenoidIdealMe.jpg
 

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Damn good buy!

Left C, I want to make certain...I don't need to buy hose barbs when I purchase the oregon aqua design kit to do it the zip tie method?
 

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Thanks for the info on the AM BC. I am planning my setup and acquiring parts.

So far this is my planned setup:

1. 5 lb Aluminum CO2 tank (have)
2. SGT 500 regulator with chrome CGA 320 connector (have)
3. SS-4-HN (need to buy)
4. Parker SS solenoid valve 1/4" FNPT (should be on its way)
5. SS-4-RB-2 (need to buy)
6a. B-2MG2 Metering Valve (have)
6b. SS-2-SE (need to buy, can get cheap)
7a. SS-2-E (need to buy)
7b. SS-2-HCG (need to buy)
8. Parker SS check valve 1/8" MNPT (have)
9. SS-400-8-2 (need to buy, can get several cheap)
10. SS-405-2 (need to buy)
11. Clippard CO2 hose 1/4"OD 1/8"ID (have 10')
12. Inline Bubble Counter (need to buy)
13. Clippard CO2 hose 1/4"OD 1/8"ID (have 10')
14. SS-405-2 (need to buy)
15. SS-400-8-2 (need to buy, can get several cheap)
16. Parker SS check valve 1/8" MNPT (have)
17. SS-400-8-2 (need to buy, can get several cheap)
18. SS-405-2 (need to buy)
19. Clippard CO2 hose 1/4"OD 1/8"ID (have 10')
20. Boyu Inline diffuser or ?? Inline reactor (need to buy)
21. Eheim 2217 (have)
 
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bradac56;43731 said:
Very cool, I'd looked at the 8-320's before (usually $120 on ebay) but I didn't know if it would work well with that high of a PSI.

- Brd
This one has a 0 to 100 psi low pressure gauge. I think that it is the same model in SMOQ's pictorial assembly instructions. fordtrannyman used a similar one in his multiple tank assembly.

SMOQ's DIY post #54 and #55: http://www.barrreport.com/showthread.php?t=6470&page=6

fordtrannyman's 3102C monster: http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/e...-stage-regulator-pimp-club-95.html#post931941

Here are some Matheson dual stage regulators on ebay. The ones marked *** are decent deals.

8H: http://cgi.ebay.com/Matheson-Pressu...mQQptZBI_Welding_Supplies?hash=item414aa66952

8H: http://cgi.ebay.com/Matheson-Pressu...mQQptZBI_Welding_Supplies?hash=item414aa65e0b

8H-580: http://cgi.ebay.com/Matheson-Pressu...emQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item35a41b78c5

*** 3102C: http://cgi.ebay.com/MATHESON-PRESSU...emQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ef9daced4

*** 8-580: http://cgi.ebay.com/Gas-regulator-M...emQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item1c0e10f551

*** 8C-350: http://cgi.ebay.com/MATHESON-GENERA...emQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item53de23fe24

*** 3102C: http://cgi.ebay.com/MATHESON-MODEL-...emQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4a95055fa2

:eek: 8-320 $116.99 :rolleyes: http://cgi.ebay.com/MATHESON-TRI-GA...emQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item359dfc597c

Here is some general info about single and dual stage Matheson regulators.
https://www.mathesontrigas.com/pdfs/products/Regulators-Product-Line-Overview.pdf

*** Veriflo dual stage CO2 regulator: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...67&ih=016&category=67071&ssPageName=WDVW&rd=1

*** Fisher dual stage nitrogen/CO2 regulator: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...01&ih=011&category=26237&ssPageName=WDVW&rd=1
 

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eiginh;43734 said:
Damn good buy!
Thanks! I haven't seen one in a while that cheap. The seller just sent me an email saying that he just shipped it.

There's another 8-320, but it's almost $120 like bradac56 mentioned.

eiginh;43734 said:
Left C, I want to make certain...I don't need to buy hose barbs when I purchase the oregon aqua design kit to do it the zip tie method?
You have me so very confused as to what you want, have or ordering. :confused:

Let me know that you have and want to order. If it deals a lot with substitutions using the OAD kit, you may have to contact Jeremy.

You've looked at:
different regulators
stainless steel adapters
different solenoids
different needle/metering valves
JBJ bubble counters
glass bubble counters and glass check valves
Fabco valves with and without barbs
the OAD kit
zip-tied solenoid to regulator
& more


Here is another view of the OAD kit with the Fabco needle valve.
OregonAquaPostBodyKit.jpg



On the left is the Fabco needle valve with barbs. The one of the right is a Clippard.
FabcoandClippardneedlevalve.jpg