Hello all,
I decided to try the Dry Start Method (DSM) proposed by Tom in this post.
Very excited about this, so I carefully designed my layout and selected my plants carefully. Here are some facts:
- Substrate is a mixture of 1 part flourite, 2 parts black gravel (generic brand with no nutrients) and a small area in the front right of the tank that is mostly sand with a little flourite at the bottom.
- Includes several large rocks I collected from a park near the Potomac river just north of Washington D.C.
- Slope is fairly steep and descends from the rear of the rock 'ridge' so that plants on the ridge will receive enough moisture for their roots to remain wet in an emersed environment via capillary action (my assumption here is based on Tom's discussion of DSM and specifically, "Generally, through capillary action, water will permeate upward (just like with a 300ft redwood tree’s tip), so even the higher sections should have access to water.")
- Lights: 2 55 watt 10,000 K bulbs and 2 55 watt 6,500 K bulbs set to run for 11 hours
- Glass covering the top of the aquarium leaving only 2-3 inches on the back end uncovered
- Tank was filled once, dosed with NPK and drained so that water barely was above the substrate at the lowest depth in the tank (i.e., the sand bank front right)
- Installed Hygrometer and Thermometer (calibrated the hygrometer by placing it in the same plastic bag as a mug of 2 parts water and 1 part salt, waiting 3 hours and comparing hygrometer reading to what should be 75% - it was dead on)
- I filled a bottle with water for spraying. Note that the bottle had previously contained "Niagara" brand non-aerosol spray starch, which I emptied and rinsed several times (5-6 times) before feeling satisfied that the bottle was clean. Don't know what sort of ingredients are in this kind of chemical. This may not be significant but I didn't want to discount this as a possibility.
- 1 small tupperware container with water was placed in the rear of the tank to help attain a humidity level of 75% - 80% (per advice provided by Jonny_ftm)
- Its likely there is more I'm forgetting... but these are all the relevant facts I can think of at the moment. See picture of bare tank below.
I ordered the following plants to plant in this tank and grow using the DSM:
The plants I ordered were:
Bolbitus heudelottii
Sagittaria subulata 'narrow leaf dwarf'
Anubias v. nana
Anubias v. nana 'petite' (wow these are small!)
- 15 Hemianthus callitrichoides (potted)
Day 1:
I planted the both varieties of Anubias in random little crags among the ridge and tried to cover up the roots as much as possible with gravel or at least so that they could receive the benefit of some moisture carried in the gravel. See planting of Anubias v. Nana petite and Anubias v. Nana.
I planted the Sag. subulata along the slope that winds down to the sand. I decided to leave the HC in pots as I wanted to do that carefully the next day. I left the HC in pots of rockwool that sat in a shallow pool of water in the sand bank on the front right of the tank.
I sprayed the tank a couple times with the bottle of water mentioned above.
Day 2:
I immediately noted that the Anubias had wilted over night and several leaves were drooping over. I also noticed a little melting in the HC pots. Bolbitus looked like death so I chickened out and placed it in a small shrimp tank I have running with very little light. Before the lights turned on the humidity was 70% and the temperature was down to 70 F. I sprayed immediately and turned on the lights for fear that the plants, and the anubias in particular, was ailing as a result of the low humidity and temperature.
Later in the day I noticed that the temperature had risen to about 90 F, and I began to consider that perhaps the anubias was reacting to the heat. I also noticed further 'melting' in a few of the HC pots. I saw some of the Sag was curling at its tips. I should note that apart from a very few isolated cases of melting the HC was by and large very healthy looking (and still in its rockwool). I decided to see what would happen if I transplanted some of the HC from the rockwool to the sandy area.
That evening day I noted more wilting among the varieties of Anubias as well as the sag. HC looked good, both in the sand, as well as in the rockwool (notwithstanding a little melting). I cut the lighting in half in an attempt to lower the heat, and increased ventilation.
Day 3:
Anubias is on its last leg. Sag is curling alot more. HC is still looking good both in the rockwool and out.
Fearing that I'll lose my investment in these plants I place them in a tupperware container with plenty of water that slightly comes above the surface of the gravel in the container. Fingers crossed.
I've considered a few things that I'd appreciate any input on:
1. It occurs me that perhaps the Anubias and sag are drying up as they are at considerably higher 'elevation' levels than the HC which is situated so that the root are basically sitting in a very low pool of water and sand yet the the shoots are either on the water surface or slightly above. The Anubias was planted in the crags of the rock ridge and may not have been getting enough water. Perhaps this is the primary reason why the sag and anubias have been ailing. Have I perhaps run afoul of the 'Generally' qualifier in Tom's statement above regarding capillary action? Or simply - an exception to this general rule?
2. If the theory in 1 is correct, then placing the anubias in a tupperware in the tank with the conditions as is should / may save the plants and allow them to get back to health assuming that conditions stay at 80 F, and 75-80% humidity.
3. I'm assuming that when a plant is thrust into an emersed environment after having grown for a while in a submerged environment that the shock is greater than the opposite kind of switch (i.e., emersed to submerged). Big assumption. I'm guessing that plants cells have greater demands placed upon them in terms of structural integrity in this scenario and that may explain part of the challenge in adapting to the new environment. If this is the case, then I'm wondering whether the problem with the Sag I ordered is that it was grown in an submerged environment.... Anubias.... well I'm having a harder time making the same argument, because my understanding is that anubias grows very well outside of submerged environments, and is a tougher plant that would withstand a submerged to emerged transfer better than say blyxa or Bolbitus. Is it possible that this is a situation where ethelyne is no longer able to diffuse out of the plant so that the plant may rot and melt a bit yet the new grow will be more robust? ( see para 7 of Tom's discussion of DSM)
4. Speaking of Bolbitus - do some plants just not grow well in an emersed state? And is Bolbitus one of them?
5. I haven't put excel in the water in the substrate... is there a need? I thought CO2 in the air precluded that?
6. Any other possibilities? Residual chemicals in the spray bottle I'm using? Humidity not high/low or stable enough? Temp issues? Lack of dosing an issue? (Keep in mind its only been 3 days and the water was in fact dosed before it was mostly drained)
I've come to accept that you can't let excessive anticipation and worry of potential failure in this hobby get in the way of rational thought that would otherwise help you arrive at a solution for the particular problem you're addressing.
The other thing I've learned is that sometimes the problem is right under your nose and alot simpler than your imagination may lead you to believe. (I have lots of experience in that respect!)
That being said, I would really value any input you folks may have on this issue. Again, it was about $80-100 worth of plants and I sure don't want to have to trash it.
I think DSM sounds in theory to be a fantastic approach that everyone should consider for future tanks, I've read threads where some have run into difficulty, and I don't have the benefit of knowing what the end result was because the followup wasn't posted (this is a frustrating reality of seeking education through forum research). Certainly one I'd like to make it work... just gotta work out this kink!
Thanks,
Daniel
I decided to try the Dry Start Method (DSM) proposed by Tom in this post.
Very excited about this, so I carefully designed my layout and selected my plants carefully. Here are some facts:
- Substrate is a mixture of 1 part flourite, 2 parts black gravel (generic brand with no nutrients) and a small area in the front right of the tank that is mostly sand with a little flourite at the bottom.
- Includes several large rocks I collected from a park near the Potomac river just north of Washington D.C.
- Slope is fairly steep and descends from the rear of the rock 'ridge' so that plants on the ridge will receive enough moisture for their roots to remain wet in an emersed environment via capillary action (my assumption here is based on Tom's discussion of DSM and specifically, "Generally, through capillary action, water will permeate upward (just like with a 300ft redwood tree’s tip), so even the higher sections should have access to water.")
- Lights: 2 55 watt 10,000 K bulbs and 2 55 watt 6,500 K bulbs set to run for 11 hours
- Glass covering the top of the aquarium leaving only 2-3 inches on the back end uncovered
- Tank was filled once, dosed with NPK and drained so that water barely was above the substrate at the lowest depth in the tank (i.e., the sand bank front right)
- Installed Hygrometer and Thermometer (calibrated the hygrometer by placing it in the same plastic bag as a mug of 2 parts water and 1 part salt, waiting 3 hours and comparing hygrometer reading to what should be 75% - it was dead on)
- I filled a bottle with water for spraying. Note that the bottle had previously contained "Niagara" brand non-aerosol spray starch, which I emptied and rinsed several times (5-6 times) before feeling satisfied that the bottle was clean. Don't know what sort of ingredients are in this kind of chemical. This may not be significant but I didn't want to discount this as a possibility.
- 1 small tupperware container with water was placed in the rear of the tank to help attain a humidity level of 75% - 80% (per advice provided by Jonny_ftm)
- Its likely there is more I'm forgetting... but these are all the relevant facts I can think of at the moment. See picture of bare tank below.
I ordered the following plants to plant in this tank and grow using the DSM:
The plants I ordered were:
Bolbitus heudelottii
Sagittaria subulata 'narrow leaf dwarf'
Anubias v. nana
Anubias v. nana 'petite' (wow these are small!)
- 15 Hemianthus callitrichoides (potted)
Day 1:
I planted the both varieties of Anubias in random little crags among the ridge and tried to cover up the roots as much as possible with gravel or at least so that they could receive the benefit of some moisture carried in the gravel. See planting of Anubias v. Nana petite and Anubias v. Nana.
I planted the Sag. subulata along the slope that winds down to the sand. I decided to leave the HC in pots as I wanted to do that carefully the next day. I left the HC in pots of rockwool that sat in a shallow pool of water in the sand bank on the front right of the tank.
I sprayed the tank a couple times with the bottle of water mentioned above.
Day 2:
I immediately noted that the Anubias had wilted over night and several leaves were drooping over. I also noticed a little melting in the HC pots. Bolbitus looked like death so I chickened out and placed it in a small shrimp tank I have running with very little light. Before the lights turned on the humidity was 70% and the temperature was down to 70 F. I sprayed immediately and turned on the lights for fear that the plants, and the anubias in particular, was ailing as a result of the low humidity and temperature.
Later in the day I noticed that the temperature had risen to about 90 F, and I began to consider that perhaps the anubias was reacting to the heat. I also noticed further 'melting' in a few of the HC pots. I saw some of the Sag was curling at its tips. I should note that apart from a very few isolated cases of melting the HC was by and large very healthy looking (and still in its rockwool). I decided to see what would happen if I transplanted some of the HC from the rockwool to the sandy area.
That evening day I noted more wilting among the varieties of Anubias as well as the sag. HC looked good, both in the sand, as well as in the rockwool (notwithstanding a little melting). I cut the lighting in half in an attempt to lower the heat, and increased ventilation.
Day 3:
Anubias is on its last leg. Sag is curling alot more. HC is still looking good both in the rockwool and out.
Fearing that I'll lose my investment in these plants I place them in a tupperware container with plenty of water that slightly comes above the surface of the gravel in the container. Fingers crossed.
I've considered a few things that I'd appreciate any input on:
1. It occurs me that perhaps the Anubias and sag are drying up as they are at considerably higher 'elevation' levels than the HC which is situated so that the root are basically sitting in a very low pool of water and sand yet the the shoots are either on the water surface or slightly above. The Anubias was planted in the crags of the rock ridge and may not have been getting enough water. Perhaps this is the primary reason why the sag and anubias have been ailing. Have I perhaps run afoul of the 'Generally' qualifier in Tom's statement above regarding capillary action? Or simply - an exception to this general rule?
2. If the theory in 1 is correct, then placing the anubias in a tupperware in the tank with the conditions as is should / may save the plants and allow them to get back to health assuming that conditions stay at 80 F, and 75-80% humidity.
3. I'm assuming that when a plant is thrust into an emersed environment after having grown for a while in a submerged environment that the shock is greater than the opposite kind of switch (i.e., emersed to submerged). Big assumption. I'm guessing that plants cells have greater demands placed upon them in terms of structural integrity in this scenario and that may explain part of the challenge in adapting to the new environment. If this is the case, then I'm wondering whether the problem with the Sag I ordered is that it was grown in an submerged environment.... Anubias.... well I'm having a harder time making the same argument, because my understanding is that anubias grows very well outside of submerged environments, and is a tougher plant that would withstand a submerged to emerged transfer better than say blyxa or Bolbitus. Is it possible that this is a situation where ethelyne is no longer able to diffuse out of the plant so that the plant may rot and melt a bit yet the new grow will be more robust? ( see para 7 of Tom's discussion of DSM)
4. Speaking of Bolbitus - do some plants just not grow well in an emersed state? And is Bolbitus one of them?
5. I haven't put excel in the water in the substrate... is there a need? I thought CO2 in the air precluded that?
6. Any other possibilities? Residual chemicals in the spray bottle I'm using? Humidity not high/low or stable enough? Temp issues? Lack of dosing an issue? (Keep in mind its only been 3 days and the water was in fact dosed before it was mostly drained)
I've come to accept that you can't let excessive anticipation and worry of potential failure in this hobby get in the way of rational thought that would otherwise help you arrive at a solution for the particular problem you're addressing.
The other thing I've learned is that sometimes the problem is right under your nose and alot simpler than your imagination may lead you to believe. (I have lots of experience in that respect!)
That being said, I would really value any input you folks may have on this issue. Again, it was about $80-100 worth of plants and I sure don't want to have to trash it.
I think DSM sounds in theory to be a fantastic approach that everyone should consider for future tanks, I've read threads where some have run into difficulty, and I don't have the benefit of knowing what the end result was because the followup wasn't posted (this is a frustrating reality of seeking education through forum research). Certainly one I'd like to make it work... just gotta work out this kink!
Thanks,
Daniel
