Dosing High Levels Of Micros? What About The Macros?

I read Tom Barr's thread on his 20 gal planted tank where he was experimenting with higher levels of Mics.
Also I checked out the thread from burr740 on his dosing levels.
I also checked out the thread on plantedtank.net

If I bump up the mics do I leave the macs levels alone?
And speaking of the proper fert levels as far as ppm per dose goes, I don't know what ppm levels I should be trying to get? I'll ask this again later. I'd like to get a good starting point.

40 gal tank:
Currently I'm doing this.
3xweek Macs 3xweek Mics total ppm per dose
KNO3, NO3- 3.75ppm K- 2.36ppm CSM+B
KH2PO4, P- 0.661 ppm K- 0.83 Fe 0.156
K2SO4, S-0.53 K-1.30 Mn 0.044
B 0.028
Totals Zn 0.008
Mo 0.0012
NO3-11.25 ppm Cu 0.00216
P-1.983 ppm
K- 13.47 ppm
S- 1.59 ppm
If I start to dose Macs 4 times a week and the Mics everyday then I won't have a rest day.
I do a 50% water change once a week.

Like I asked before, I don't know what levels I need to target for a 40 gal tank??
A lot of my plants have black on the edges of the leaves. And some black spots as well.

Going by the charts on plantedtank.net I saw that everyone had different numbers for ppm

I've been using CSM+B So, if I need to adjust something like zinc I can't do that with the csmb.
I also have Ferrous Gluconate, but I don't know if I need this?
Question: Do I need to get DTPA?

Question: I see some people say that they are going to dose heavy Iron. How do you do that?

If csmb won't work with the way Tom and burr740 is dosing then do I need to get each fert separately?
If so, I don't know how much of each fert to mix in a 500 mil bottle. How much ppm of each fert would be in a 10 mil dose?

The tank has high light 100 plus par at the substrate level, aprox ? I was told this by someone on this forum.
According to the chart from burr740 the total K ppm per week is 65.7 (25.22) is from the RO water.
Now, I don't use RO so should I disregard the extra 25.22 ppm?

My csmb is close to burr micro mix. But my mn,b and zn levels are low. Since I can't add these by them selves my numbers won't match.

Can anyone give me a good starting point for the levels I should be trying reach with each fert??
It seems the more I read about dosing the more I get confused.
I thought I had it but now I'm not sure??

Thanks for your help!!

 

Thanks burr740 I'll start testing tomorrow. I'll take some pictures as well. This is a busy weekend, I should have the info by Sunday afternoon.
I don't know my tap water gh. The last time I tested my tanks gh it was 11 I don't know if that's low or high?
Question: I have equilibrium, does this raise the gh? I think it does?
I believe my tap is a little high as far as the kh goes. And my water is a little on the hard side.
I think you told me before that I should go with DTPA.
Question: If I use the DTPA can I assume I won't use the Ferrous gluconate anymore?
3 Questions: If I have to use the DTPA how much do I need to mix in a 500mil bottle?
Or should I dry dose it?
If so, how much at a time and what's the ppm per dose?

Thanks again for your time on this. I really appreciate it!!
I wish I could talk to you on the phone, or send you an email. Because there's always something I forget to ask. We could get this worked out real fast.

Let me know if I missed anything..

 

I don't have the DTPA yet I have to order if from Nilocg.
I tried to get info from my water report.
The only thing I can find is 7.6 Ph and it says the gh is 62-208ppm or 4-13 grains per gallon. I don't know if this is what you meant?
I sent them an email but of course I won't here from until next week. I'll try to find more info.

I'll try to test the Kh, Ph in the tank tomorrow and the tap Gh
Should I test the Gh and the Kh in the tank just before the CO2 comes on?

Do you want me to test the Ph just before the CO2 comes on and just before the CO2 turns off?

 

Thanks for the info. I'll be doing my water change today. So I'll test the tank ph tomorrow. My lights come on at 4:30pm then I'll test it again at 8pm
I don't know if doing a water change shortly before checking the ph has any effect on it?

 

Sounds good. I'll have everything tested by 8:30 tomorrow.

 

Ok, I tested my tap yesterday PH 7.5 GH 12 KH 7.5 (more like 8)
I tested the tank water yesterday before the WC GH 9 KH 4
The degassed tank water today was PH 7.6

Ph just after lights on is 6.6 and 6.4 4 hours after lights on.

One more thing. I've been having a bad time with my diffuser the past week. So my CO2 levels haven't been consistent.

The video that Tom Barr showed using the pump and a Co2 reactor inside the 20 gal tank in his garage is what I'm going to try. What I've been using hasn't been very consistent for dissolving the CO2.

I don't think this has been helping my situation either.

 

Here are some pictures. I started to use the ferrous gluconate about 2 weeks ago and now I'm seeing a lot more algae on the plants. Now I don't know if that's the reason? As you can see in the pictures there's algae on all of the plants now.

 

Thanks for the help. Now as far as the Mics go. I dose the mics on Sun, Tues, Thur Once I get the CO2 fixed should I dose mics every day? I've always wondered if I'm putting enough mics in the tank? This is going back to the thread that Tom Barr was talking about experimenting with mics seven day a week.
I just wanted to know if there's no mics in the tank from Thur to Sun does that make a difference?

 

Hey burr740, I've tried to use the rotalabutterfly site but it wont work. Can you tell me how much 11% DTPA to add in a 500 mil bottle?
Also, how many mils to dose to reach 0.5ppm for a 40 gal tank?

 

I understand that, but I can't get on the website. I wanted to start off with dosing 5mil Of course if I don't know how much to mix in the bottle then I don't know what to do?