Does the soil mineralize if you use it for a DSM aquarium?

I'm considering MTS as well as the DSM. However, I hesitate on the MTS because I don't have the best setup to make it in currently and I'm only doing one small tank so there won't be any cost savings for right now. Also, I have concerns I may stir it up as I'm not an experienced aquascaper.

So, I've seen it mentioned a couple times that if you use soil during a DSM it will mineralize. If that's the case then it takes care of one of my concerns about the MTS. Is this the case and how long does it take? Would I just layer the bottom with the dolemite and potash and then mix the soil with clay ahead of time and layer that on top? I know I can make borders ahead of time with the capping material as well.

It seems like with how popular both DSM and MTS that more people aren't combining the two methods if I indeed read correctly about the DSM causing mineralization. Seems like a no brainer.

How long does the MTS last? I've heard success up to eight years. How would that compare to ADA AS and does AS still have a clumping problem after a couple years? I realize the nutrient ability is going to vary based on several factors, but I'm looking for generalizations when comparing the two under like circumstances.

How close can ADA AS come to MTS in delivering nutrients if we add the potash and dolemite to it's bottom layer?

Thanks,

Anthony

 

Also, meant to ask what kind of top soil to use if going the MTS route. I saw Diana Walstead mention Miracle Grow organic, but I can't remember if that was the recommendation for MTS or just using the regular soil method. There was an article where she was talking about using one over the other depending on the use and now I can't find it.

I think that Miracle Grow product is mostly peat though.

 

Thanks for the replies, 8 weeks is quite some time for this project.

What about any AS clumping issues and how long does it remain effective at supplying nutrients?

What about Osmocote, dolemite, potash, clay, peat, etc... Which would be most appropriate and how long will they last? I've heard, as Fred said that Osmocote is a good option, but not sure on the others.

Sorry, about all the questions and I realize people won't have the time to answer throughly, but if this last post could get answered it will go a long way to me figuring out what direction to go. I'll know if the time and trouble of the MTS is worth it.

 

Thanks. So it's definitely much shorter than with the MTS.

I'm assuming though that it's still not going to last a decade like the MTS though. I guess I can deduce that by the fact the normal soil tanks don't last very long either and I'll assume it's the mineralization that gives it the lasting effects?

When you add a layer of Dolemite or Osmocoat to the bottom of an MTS tank are they only lasting months as well and not years? I assume it's only whatever properties that are initially in the MTS that lasts for many years and whatever it doesn't have that needed to be added with the dolemite and peat will continue to need replenishment?

I thank you for your patience. I've done quite a bit of reading, but have not really since it broken down into specifics.

Thanks,

Anthony

 

Hey Biollante, I appreciate where you're coming from with that question. However, right now I'm wanting to educate myself on a few of the finer points that seperate the 2 soil methods so that I can implement the best choice for me at the time. Currently it's not a matter of having to do a certain kind of tank right now, there's even a chance now that I may even just do a moss tank, where these matters won't even come into play.

I enjoy learning and I also like to make informed decisions, especially ones that involve time and money.

Thanks,

Anthony

 

I keep answering your questions, funny how this is going...

I'm not qualified to talk about the chemical differences, but from a practical point of view the main differences would be, ease of use, length of time the product provides nutrients, less dosing with one vs. the other also changing drastically over time, cost and possibly length the product lasts physically.

No, plenty of overlap.

I appreciate any info I can get and noone owes me any answer whatsoever, but I certainly didn't cover much ground here. To be frank, time would be much better spent giving your thoughts than wondering about my motivations.

I still have no clue what the current thinking about AS clumping is. I have no idea how much more maintenance free I could make AS and for how long by adding additional products.

I think those are pretty reasonable questions and ones that you can easily see why an aquarist would want to know from a practical perspective.

Thanks for the ingrdient list for the Miracle Gro, but I still don't know if that's the sort of thing I'd be looking for when making MTS?

Umm, thanks, I'll need it apparently.

 

Not sure what went wrong here. I thought my questions were pretty relevant and the answers not easily found via search or google. I hope I didn't rub anyone the wrong way, I was just being direct and answered the questions asked of me.

I did find out, at least from what I can tell, that the Miracle Grow would not be the type of soil one looks for when making MTS. I wish I could find that article from Diana and see what manner she's using it in, but it actually seems like it would be a bad choice for both MTS and NPT as it is high in organics and I thought that's what we were trying to minimize.