Diy Fert Csmb + Fe Gluconate + Fe Dtpa 11%

Deanna

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Wow.. Great never seen this style before. Yes i use rotala calculator but i select EI daily. However when i select it for tropica, its shows a hell lot to dose.

But im following george farmer's way:
Low plant load: 2ml daily
Medium: 4ml daily
High: 6ml daily

Per 100 liter [emoji115]

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My dosage is designed for high light and pressurized CO2.

I still think that it might be easier for you to use the CSM+B in a solution, along with Flourish Iron. In RotalaButterfly, just select "A solution" instead of "Dry dosing" and it will tell you how much to add to your desired container size of RO or distilled water, given the dose you choose.
 
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My dosage is designed for high light and pressurized CO2.

I still think that it might be easier for you to use the CSM+B in a solution, along with Flourish Iron. In RotalaButterfly, just select "A solution" instead of "Dry dosing" and it will tell you how much to add to your desired container size of RO or distilled water, given the dose you choose.
Have ordered iron gluconate which is flourish iron ingredient. Mine too is co2 and high light.

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Fe gluconate came moist and clay like. Please help. Is it still usable?
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we do have a new Fert calculator at Ukaps which will take care of you trace mix all in one go
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does all the solubility limits as well and you can go from ppms to grams or grams to ppm, lots of other new features also. We could also add your CSM+B trace salt also so its added for new release. The above pic the target for Fe is at 0.6ppm weekly

IFC Aquarium Fertilizer Calculator - if you you care to try it.

Has a DIY trace solution section also with many selectable salts with serial dilutions, with ppm to grams or grams to ppms. With selectable compare also

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we do have a new Fert calculator at Ukaps which will take care of you trace mix all in one go
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does all the solubility limits as well and you can go from ppms to grams or grams to ppm, lots of other new features also. We could also add your CSM+B trace salt also so its added for new release. The above pic the target for Fe is at 0.6ppm weekly

IFC Aquarium Fertilizer Calculator - if you do try it, best to just use 'Litres' as we tried to add 'US Gallons as a after thought, it proved to be quite difficult with the multiple tank Wizard we have introduced. So the Gallons feature is a little lame ATM so we may scrap that feature in next release.

Has a DIY trace solution section also with many selectable salts with serial dilutions, with ppm to grams or grams to ppms. With selectable compare also

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Wow... But i couldn't find the link for it..[emoji25]

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Seattle_Aquarist

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Roy,

Do you have any concerns about consistency? Coming from the chemical industry, whenever powders were involved, we had to go through all sorts of various ways to mix to ensure consistency due to minute differences in particle size and density. Then, after mixing, there was always the concern of handling (and shipping) causing striations. We always preferred the homogenization supplied by liquids, when possible. I never liked the idea of using mixes, such as CSM-B, for this reason.

Hi Deanna,

Plantex makes the CSM, the boron (B) is added by the seller (aquariumfertilizer.com, nilocg.com, greenleafaquariums.com, etc.) so what is the likelihood that they mix in the boron evenly to insure consistency? I give the bottle of dry mix a few shakes to make sure the lighter ingredients are mixed in but that is about it.
-Roy
 

Rotala

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Hi @nanomania,

I use a DIY mix of those three sources of iron. I use CSM+B, Ferrous Gluconate 12.46%, and DTPA Fe Chelate 11%

My mix is:

4 parts CSM+B
1 part Ferrous Gluconate 12.46%
1 part DTPA Fe Chelate 11%

1/16 teaspoon per 8 gallons provides:
0.636 ppm of Fe
0.11 ppm of Mn
0.05 ppm of B

These are all dry ingredients, adding Excel does not make sense.

Hope this helps!
-Roy
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Hi Seattle_Aquarist
-1/16 teaspoon per 8 gallons provides
-1/16 in a week
-or 3x 1/16 in a week
 

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Hi @Rotala

Rather than hijack Deanna's thread how about starting one of your own....just put @Seattle_Aquarist to get my attention. Please include tank size, water parameters pH, nitrates, dKh, dGh), what you are dosing for nutrients, how much and how often. Also some photos of new growth and older leaves. Also we need to eliminate possible physical damage, do you have snails, Chinese Algae Eaters, Plecos? Many fish species love to dine on young tender leaves. -Roy
 
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Hi @Rotala

Rather than hijack Deanna's thread how about starting one of your own....just put @Seattle_Aquarist to get my attention. Please include tank size, water parameters pH, nitrates, dKh, dGh), what you are dosing for nutrients, how much and how often. Also some photos of new growth and older leaves. Also we need to eliminate possible physical damage, do you have snails, Chinese Algae Eaters, Plecos? Many fish species love to dine on young tender leaves. -Roy
Hi nanomania,Seattle_Aquarist
-first of all i'm sorry nanomania.because i stole your thread
-I also want to create my own theme but.i can't do it
-because I don't know what to fill in here
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Rotala

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Hi @Rotala

Can you provide some of the information I requested please?
Hi Seattle_Aquarist
12 liter tank
N 22,5 ppm
P 5,25 ppm
K 19 ppm
CSM+B 0,6 ppm
CaSo4 25 ppm
Mg 8 ppm

-I use tap water
Ca 10
Mg 0,4
KH 2

-I don't have a test kit KH,PH
-i only have test kit Ca,Mg

-pet
5 Nerita
1 yamato
1 pencil
-I just used this recipe for about 2 days. I'll post pictures in about a week
 

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Hi Seattle_Aquarist
12 liter tank
N 22,5 ppm
P 5,25 ppm
K 19 ppm
CSM+B 0,6 ppm
CaSo4 25 ppm
Mg 8 ppm

-I use tap water
Ca 10
Mg 0,4
KH 2

-I don't have a test kit KH,PH
-i only have test kit Ca,Mg

-pet
5 Nerita
1 yamato
1 pencil
-I just used this recipe for about 2 days. I'll post pictures in about a week
Hi @Rotala,

I just want to confirm what the ppm numbers are: are they the amounts you are dosing or are they the amounts you are getting from testing the water in your tank.

Please pick up a pH test kit. CSM+B only contains EDTA chelated iron decreases in availability to plants as the pH increases from [email protected] and is basically unavailable to plants if the pH of the tank is above 7.0. Since the issue with your plant(s) seems to be in the newer leaves that would indicate that if it is a nutrient related problem it is likely one of the immobile nutrients of which iron is one of those. -Roy
 

Rotala

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Hi @Rotala,

I just want to confirm what the ppm numbers are: are they the amounts you are dosing or are they the amounts you are getting from testing the water in your tank.

Please pick up a pH test kit. CSM+B only contains EDTA chelated iron decreases in availability to plants as the pH increases from [email protected] and is basically unavailable to plants if the pH of the tank is above 7.0. Since the issue with your plant(s) seems to be in the newer leaves that would indicate that if it is a nutrient related problem it is likely one of the immobile nutrien
HI Seattle_Aquarist

- ppm dose 1 week

-PH test turns green when the light is on.

-When the light is off, the pH turns blue
-What should I do about fe?
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