Boyd's Chemi-Clean

Re: Boyd's Chemi-Clean

Well here goes all the marine folk's trade secrets, it's EM.

Yep, the same stuff we use but the marine and reef suckers will pay.
Antiobiotics.

Doesn't hurt any of our fish or inverts or filter bacteria either now does it?
I solved about dozen BGA issues for the LA marine reef club's group.

In other words, I also do marine tanks and know the algae very well.

You have 2 very effective methods to kill it already, you can look for EM in several other formulations and listen to these fools talk about their trade secrets, or you can use common sense and testing and reviews that have already been done and shown to be effective.

Stay away from chemical means to control algae, they waste your time.
Stick with manaual removal, maybe blackout, UV for a few spoecies, then make sure to have good environmental stable conditions.

That is all this requires.
Blackouts work equally as well with Marine tanks FYI as well as KNO3.

Regards,
Tom Barr

 

Re: Boyd's Chemi-Clean

Well adding H2O2 will also kill BGA and a few other algae.

I looked at the product.
It's good for milder cases of BGA.

I can get rid of most infestations of BGa without using Blackouts.........
Simply doing a good cleaning, large water change and cranking the CO2 thereafter+ doing a good dosing.

But if the case is sereve, or the BGA is infesting the vegetative cones of the plants....then I go with a BO.

But this entire product of algae cures really is a waste of everyone's time, they will always be a waste of your time and not allow you to focus on the real issue: poor plant growth.

A very simple question to ask yourself: does it grow plants? If not, do not not add it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Folks say, "well maybe it'll work, i just need something to get me over this hump."

Oooo, I've had this discussion for decades.........
That's the rationalization of "the desperate...."

Don't fear, I did the same thing way back when. But you, nor I need to even bother with this stuff at this point.........

I was a sucker and so were many folks back then and folks arwe better informed today, but they still monkey puke snake oils which really don't solve the real issue, poor plant growth.

Algae grow for defined reasons.
We also are growing plants for a hobby, not killing algae as a hobby, although a few have made a serious go at algae killing as a hobby in and of it's self.

Save your $$$$$, do not ever buy algicides of any type.

Now why would I tell you all that? Lack of experiences trying algicides out? Not hardly, I test and evaluate herbicides professionally and am quite good at it. I also played with algicides for about a decade extensively.

A new one comes down the pipe every few years.
The peroxide based products have a specific carbonate for of H2O2 in dry granular form.

We use it at a higher concentration to kill weeds, but it kills birds and other critters. Not just weeds, but folks have some use specific cases that it can be used. The by products are what make peroxides useful. They might have a chloride of oxides, but it's still a strong oxidizer, like O3, H2O2, permangnate(which will also kill BBA as well as BGA at the right concentrations) etc.

But these things cost money and are sold to the desperate.
The BO works 100% of the time if you follow the method, make sure you completely cover the tank and clean well before and after, no chemical or pill will clean your tank or dose properly for you, so you tell me which idea and method is better..........

You can still EM which is proven to work with no adverse effects if for some strange reason you are unable to turn the lights out(no one has ever stated a reason why they cannot do this, at least a rational reason)

I give folks a free method that addresses the long term and cause/solution and folks still...............find ways around it and spend $$ on stuff they simply do not ever need.

I still scratch my head on this one............

Look any time you get the urge to buy an algicide, just email me whatever the cost of the product. I'll work through it with you and get rid of the algae with you and keep it gone. Your tank will look better as a result, better than product will make it.

I've had every algae myself and have cured more folk's tanks in this hobby of algae/BGA than any algicide ever will or has.

Regards,
Tom Barr

 

Re: Boyd's Chemi-Clean

Frank, we use sucrose for tissue culture anc cold storage of plant samples to let the plants fed on something if they are in the dark for a long peroid.

BGA's would benefit I would suspect, but I do not think they possess sucrase, the enzyme that cleaves the Fuctose glucose bond, they might......

But folks have added sugar to their tanks in the past, this does no harm to the plants or fish.

Whether it kills the BGA, remains to be seen.

So you'd need to culture BGA, maintain it and get it actively growing, then add the sugar etc at a chosen concentration to see.

It's not a hard test or anything, but few are willing to see it through.

I honestly don't care in terms of horticulture, but the genus of BGA you can look up and see if it can use sucrose or not. I have a very effective free tool to kill any BGA infestation, one good tool is simple and all I need.

The rest is environmental conditions (KNO3, decent filter cleaning, excess mulm removal etc) which are much more inmportant to the long term success of any horticultural approach.

We grow plants, so the focus is always there, not killing algae and learning about their tolernaces.

The less you stress the plants, the better.
That's where our efforts are much better suited rather than wasting time evaluating every algicide that comes down the pipe.

You, the newbie, the intermediate plantie will all figure this out and not waste so much of your time with it later........

I've never been one to lead anyone astray, been at it a long time, successfully cured more folk's algae issues than perhaps anyone in recent times. I have nice tanks that are algae free for many years.

Take the advice, stay away from any algicide.

Regards,
Tom Barr




Regards,
Tom Barr

 

Re: Boyd's Chemi-Clean

Do not take this personally,
How is anything easier than a blackout?
That does not follow, you cover the tank and wait, is that difficult?
That will knock back any trace bits of BGA as well, without any water changes, but still add the KNO3, turn off CO2.

We suggest water changes when there is a lot of BGA. Trace amounts are easy to beat back without hardly any work(at least to kill it).

I do not think you folks that use these things are getting the point here.
You still had to go buy this, you paid for it, then you had to do the directions, then you had to wait.

The only advantage is that you could see the tank all the time during treatment.

You'll never beat algae over the long term using these products though ..........next up will be one that you cannot get rid of with this product.

Then what?

The advice I give is specific for the long term and the short term, it also, unlike anything any algicide will provide, helps to improve plant health and growth.

Some argue that both the algicide used in conjuction with good conditions will help, .......... no, good conditions alone and a few simple things will knock all the algae you may have very rapidly.

Plants grow very fast with good conditions, pruning and water changes knocks off the rest.

Chemicals do not do trimming nor maintain and clean dirt out of your tank, there is no laziness pill.

It's the same old thing 1000 x here with regards to algae, do the work. If you desire less work, go non CO2.

A tank that has good maintenance shows. No chemical will replace that.

I've heard every sort of arguement for these products and have pounded many into the ground over the years.

But they all miss the point, they do not help your original issue, nor get you any closer to solving that issue, nor maker your tank look better outside of the algae removal. It actually side tracks you and waste time much better spent doing work on the tank that you should have been doing to begin with.............


Regards,
Tom Barr

 

Re: Boyd's Chemi-Clean

Sorry there

I'm passionate about not having folks go down this route for a few other reasons.

Many like to try things and that's good. If they really like that they will want to do experiments, they are quite simple and you learn far more.

I've honestly never learned anything about growing plants using herbicides that kill algae. Well, other than how to show they don't work nor address the real issue.

I've also never learned anything about the algae and why they grew in my tanks either by using algicides.

So................if learning and getting a nicer plant tank is the focus......they really are a wasted effort and $$.

Yea, they can kill a few algae, so can many things, we have no lack of algicides....hwat we did have a huge lack of when I got into the web hobby on line was any understanding about why the algae where growing.

Today we have come a logn way, GS=> low CO2/PO4, BBA=> low CO2, BGA=> low NO3/poor cleaning habits/too many fish, GW=> urea, too many fish, NH4 etc, Staghorn=> urea/NH4, most every algae out there is well known as to what ansd why it occurs, and the occurance is more accurate at analysis of the tank than a test kit....................

I would have never figured any of these issues out over the years if I was big on algicides.......................and did not have the philosophy I have about algicides.

Few folks are as anti algicide as I am, but I've gone down quite a different path and have ended up helping far more folks as a result.

People focus on plant health much more and very little on algicides compared to 10-15 years ago, heck, that's all they talked about. I thought we'd never figure out anything back then, but one by one, the algae have fallen.

It is why the methods I use are successful, it is why I can cure most folks algae issues, it is why my tanks look good to me.

I know of a device that will kill all algae and not harm plants, it's not chemical either, it is a silver bullet if you will, but it's a rather costly and only suited for larger tanks. But it does work, but still, it does not grow plants............

But I apologize for getting heated and passionate about it, I've been trying to get folks to stay away from algicides for a long time now, it is never anything personal nor directed towards anyone person etc, my passionate for killing algae starts before the alga have a chance

Same with aquatic weeds.


Regards,
Tom Barr

 

Re: Boyd's Chemi-Clean

Well, having the history laid out helps get some prespective.

As Bob Marely once said: "You can't know where you are going unless you know where have come from........."

Regards,
Tom Barr