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Bba and co2

Discussion in 'CO2 Enrichment' started by Htomassini, Oct 23, 2010.

  1. Htomassini

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    Everyone always referS to the major source of brush algae as fluctuating co2 levels and or lack of circulation. But I have a question though. Isn't the process of turning off the co2 at night along with aeration hence raising the ph at night to start the co2 cycle again a fluctuation in itself?


    Even though I start co2 2 hours before the lights come one it takes almost all day for my drop checker to turn light green.

    I have a high light tank with sump setup so I degass the co2 at night quite efficiently. Plus I run and airstone in the sump when the lights are off

    I am now running into brush algae and I want to control it before it gets out of hand

    Thanks
     
  2. agentkhiem

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    I was wondering about the same thing. What is considered CO2 fluctuation?
     
  3. dutchy

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    CO2 fluctuation arises when the CO2 level falls so much that a temporarily deficiency occurs. This occurs during the photoperiod, not at night. It seems like the germination signal for BBA is low/fluctuating/falling CO2 levels accompanied by light. My CO2 is off at night but I don't have BBA.

    A drop checker always has a delay, 2 to 3 hours minimum. On the other hand it could be a sign of slow response in your CO2 system. This could be as simple as bubble rate but also water flow through the reactor/diffusor. If you have a CO2 system with low capacity, CO2 could fall since the system can't keep up with the demand. If you're not able to reach the desired pH in one hour, you have a slow responsive system.

    You could also think about lowering your light. Less light = less CO2 demand = easier to do = less algae.

    regards,
    dutchy
     
  4. Htomassini

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    Well I have raised my lights nice and high with only one bank of 4 by 80w hot5. It runs from 11 to 9. Co2 starts at 9 am and that's when the airstone cuts off.
     
  5. dutchy

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    Maybe your CO2 system is slow and unresponsive.

    I have two CO2 systems on my 180 gallon, two 450 GPH pumps drive two AM1000 reactors. I can get to the desired CO2 level within 45 minutes. Yet both (pH controlled) systems are working hard the first hours after the light switches on. No BBA here.
    Just giving you and example what could be required on a big tank.

    regards,
    dutchy
     
  6. Htomassini

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    Hmm. I have an aquarium plants ext5000 reactor connected to a mag5 pump feeding to my mag 1200 in the sump

    They claim this is the most efficient co reactor.
     
  7. dutchy

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    Still there is probably some lag in the system, since your drop checker needs all day to get the right colour. Can you measure the pH difference in the morning and evening? This will at least tell if you there's a real difference. Maybe just the bubble rate is too low?

    Also check if you're not outgassing a lot of CO2 through your sump. Gerryd can help you here.

    Never assume your CO2 (or system) is ok. If it was, you shouldn't have BBA.

    regards,
    dutchy
     
  8. Htomassini

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    As far as ph I can drop it .75 to 1 point (from low 7s to low 6s) in about under 2 hrS.
    I started increasing the run time of 2 coralias from 15min on 30off to 30on 15off cycle. As far as degassing it drains to a sock no trickle filter. So I don't have a lot of surface agitation.
     
  9. Gerryd

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    Henry,

    Will you be around tomorrow? I can come down and get the mag 350 for sale and check out your setup at the same time...

    Let me know. Will call later, as I have your #.

    Thanks
     
  10. Htomassini

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    Well either in the mor ing before I go to work or after work in the evening. I would prefer in the evening.
     
  11. Matt F.

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    If you want to control bba, just dose excel in addition to injecting co2. I dose the regular 5ml per 10 gallons on water change day and 200% dose every day there after (10 ml per 50 gallons).

    I stopped dosing excel for two days and bba started to grow on m y rocks/hairgrass.
    Before I started dosing excel, I noticed bba on the bottom leaves of my rotala...now that I've been at it for a while no bba.

    My amanos and cardinals are fine.

    Although this method does not treat the cause fully, it manages the bba quite well.
     
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  12. Ocelli

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    I have a 75gal heavily planted tank
    2x t5ho. 10 hours
    Daily fert
    Weekly water change 30%
    20 lbs co2 drop checker pale green
    I set co2 as high as possible without fish gulping at surface.
    2 canister filters w/ plenty of flow.
    I still get some bba on; Xmas moss is covered, roots of java fern, anything that is in tank too long.

    Is there any thing else to check?
     
  13. hbosman

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    Have you tried reducing your lighting period to 8 hours? Some species of plants close up after 8 hours of light so that time period is probably adequate for most plants. I have reduced mine to 8 hours and it seems to slow down the reoccurance of BBA for me. I haven't completely illiminated it though.
     
  14. Gerryd

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    Please elaborate on types of species, etc. More bio-mass also requires more c02 and other ferts. Have you increase these along with the growth? mass also affects current and flow...

    I agree that 8 hours is plenty for now. You know that t5ho is pretty bright and you may have much more light than you think you do. Lowering the amount is always an option.

    Please elaborate on amounts and what you dose? Do you dose per EI?

    Why only 30%?

    How do you diffuse c02? A green or even yellow DC does not ensure adequate or stable c02.

    I set co2 as high as possible without fish gulping at surface.

    Define plenty of flow? What type of filters? What if they clog or do not produce as per mfg claims?

    C02, proper macro/micro dosing, general maintenance, clean filters, good flow, c02, c02, and c02..
     
  15. Matt F.

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    A quick fix (but expensive in the long run) is to add Excel daily. I do the regular 5ml per 10 gallon dose on water change day, then follow up with 10 ml per 50 gallons ever day thereafter. This helps while you are in the process of figuring out your CO2 issues. It willprevent the BBA from getting worse.

    Another way you can do it once you have stabilized and upped your CO2 is to spot treat the bba directly on water change day.
    add a drop on the affected area, let sit for a few minutes and continue on with your water change.

    Yes, yes yes...reduce your photoperiod and raise the lights if you can. The higher the intensity, it seems, the more Bba and other algae...light/co2 balance is important, especially if you rule out nutrients as a problem via EI.

    FWIW, I have a 55 with 216 watts or Tek T5HO. I use two bulbs only (inner), which translates to 108 watts. I run themm 7 hours per day and dose excel. 108 watts of Tek T5HO is a lot on a 55 despite injected CO2 via ADA diffuser and dropchecker w/. 4dkh
     
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