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Barr's Behemoth giant plant tank

Discussion in 'Aquascaping' started by Tom Barr, Aug 29, 2006.

  1. torpedobarb

    torpedobarb Junior Poster

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    I replied to this tank at the planted tank forum..


    as I say again Tom.. you suck! Great job.. my wife is even inspired.. which doesn't come along very often.. she says kudos!
     
  2. Tom Barr

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    Hell had an ice storm too, more pics from old days:
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    Regards,
    Tom Barr
     
  3. Tom Barr

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    More pics:

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    Regards,
    Tom Barr
     
  4. Karlo

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    It is beautiful!
     
  5. DaveSurfer

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    Wow...very amazing! I'm relatively new to this forum but I don't know how I missed this incredible thread!!! I'm going through all the pages looking back at the progress and pics.

    Much bigger than my 33 gallon I'm working on now!

    Superb job Tom!!! Love the discus, would love to have them but they do need lots of space.
     
  6. Tom Barr

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    Some have suggested that high CO2 is detrimental to Discus and other fish, yet with the calibrated meter, we can sit about 45ppm with no adverse effects of any sort on color, behavior and based on the general notion of the larger the fish, the more susceptible they are to high CO2, these are massive fish.

    So this suggest, and verified such claims as false for these large fish.
    Other fish like Cards, shrimp etc are less of an issue.

    The accuracy is not dependent on pH or KH, nor does the method consume CO2.
    Partial pressures/IR.

    Both highly accurate methods.

    Place the meter in an area with high flow and move it around to see if there are any low/high spots etc, take that averaged weighted.

    Then you get a good measure.

    Problem is, many do not have this.
    pH and pH control is a poor estimator of CO2, KH moves and changes, particularly if you mess with RO water(this client does). It's fine to monitor pH.........etc, but not to control CO2 directly unless you measure the KH often as well and know where it goes etc.

    So some will promote pH controllers, others will not and rail against them.
    Without looking at the trade offs within their system and those of others who have issues and what those issues are.

    I got a PM saying the CO2 was low in this tank, that's not true.
    It's quite high and the method used is far superior to the one claimed and use by the PM claim's.

    The CO2 meter here is calibrated, just like a pH meter, however, the poor resolution of the KH in drop checker, and the KH factor in the pH meter, even if you calibrate is suspect, there's no CO2 reference.

    So you are still guessing unless you specifically use a CO2 reference to calibrate.

    This leads to bad assumptions, myths and errors.

    Careful what you assume.
    Verify and make sure specifically the parameter of interest.

    Science works, and we know what the tolerances are with CO2 for this system. My own tanks had an even higher range.

    Same type of comparison BS with light vs estimating vs measuring with a PAR meter etc. everyone claimed ADA had all this light etc, but when measured on real ADA scaped tanks, they all where fairly low light.

    If you measure things, do it right.
    If not, use practical methods to get around it, eyeball the Riccia for CO2, count bubble rates etc, slowly raise or reduce the light etc.

    Regards,
    Tom Barr
     
  7. Panda

    Panda Guru Class Expert

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    not related but I would to sit on one of those chairs for a few hours and relax with a couple of beers watching a really amazing tank !! :eek:
     
  8. Tom Barr

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    Yes, I've sat and looked at this tank some time myself.

    Regards,
    Tom Barr
     
  9. sgravi2k

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    Its beautiful and it would be so nice to sit in those chairs for a day at least ;) The P.Helferi!!?? in the closer discus picture (last one) grew healthy and lovely... Never thought of using them like this.
     
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    Hey Tom, on your last picture there...what sort of plant is that foreground one underneath the Discus--some sort of jagged-edged crypt or something?

    Also, what is the broad-leafed specimen that is small and growing on the middle to right that looks like little dwarf swords or something. I'm just looking for a higher-than-foreground sized plant to blend my glosso carpet into the stem plants at the back.

    Thanks!
     
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    the jagged edged stuff is called Pogostemon helferi, i would love to plant some in my foreground as well. It some how has the aka Dowoni, not sure where it comes from but i see it on the for sale threads all the time.
     
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    CooL! THanks. Yeah looks like it can grow on rocks and driftwood too. Very cool.
     
  13. Tom Barr

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    Dowoni is the Thai name from where is was found.

    Regards,
    Tom Barr
     
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    sorry if this has been asked already but what is the plant covering most of the back wall? Looks like some sort of thin leaf Java fern..
     
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    Tom do you still get access to this tank? keep seein requests for updates on fishforums.net

    AC
     
  16. Tom Barr

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    Hell froze over.........or we got snow in LA.


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    Sorry for the blurred pics, did not have much time and light was poor.

    Looks much better than the pics do justice.

    White sand my original idea, but a planted foreground was the goal initially.
    After a few years, the client has becoem a much much better landscaper, even with a bad case of collectoritus.

    CO2 was too low in the tank, but most all SA fish now.

    The Angels are going to be removed and more wild Discus will be added, about 30 or so.
    Later, these will be removed and smaller schooling species will likely be the main theme.

    The CO2 system was off by 20ppm, and that is why I came down to fix it and rewire it into the controller functioning with different electric currents(mA and mV) and different connectors Coaxil to regular wires and different capacitors).
    PITA. But......once have done it, then it's not bad after.

    The calibration method suggested by the CO2 company was off, but we had a reference and then did the pure water + KH calibration tritration.
    This agreed with the new probe I calibrated with ref gas, and the tritration with pure bicarb solution.
    So a PITA, but nailed it within 1-2ppm.
     
  17. aamir9110

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    I saw this....

    Old damn thread, got here accidently searching for ocean clear filter...

    speechless fro a few mins.

    then spent the next minute cleaning drool of the table.

    This is something indeed!
     
  18. dantra

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    That tank is beautiful. Just looking at it relaxes you.
     
  19. Yo-han

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    Really love to see a big tank with wild colored discus instead of all the fancy colors nowadays. Don't they look astonishing?
     
  20. UDGags

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    I agree. There is something very simple about the greens and the colored fish that make it look beautiful.
     
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