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Bürkert 6011 solenoids for European use

Discussion in 'CO2 Enrichment' started by Lost Csr, May 30, 2011.

  1. Lost Csr

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    Hello everyone,

    After a bit of research, Burkert engineers recommended these 2 solenoids with 240V/50-60hz for use in Europe and anywhere else that uses this voltage.

    Here are part numbers and LED cable plug numbers. Prices may vary.
    These part numbers are for SS versions. You will have to ask your local dealer for the Brass number.


    Material [HASHTAG]#00462501[/HASHTAG] (This is a NPT 1/8 part) : Price 69,30 : 4 week lead time

    Description 2/2-WAY MINI-SOLENOID VALVE, DIR. ACTING
    Mat description: 6011-A02,4FFVANM81-2-240/56-04* PD02
    type: TYP_0009 6011
    circuit function: WW A NC
    orifice size N 02,4 : 3/32
    seal material: DWST FFFKM
    body material: WKST VA SS
    port connection: LTA NM81 NPT1/8
    coil size: 2 0,79 INCH
    Voltage: 240V
    frequency: 50-60Hz
    power consumption: 4W
    Var1: PD02 UR (UL-RECOGNIZED)/CSA-APPROVAL


    Material [HASHTAG]#134110[/HASHTAG] (This is a G-thread part) Price 69,30 : 4 week lead time

    Material [HASHTAG]#134098[/HASHTAG] (This is the brass version)

    Mat description: 6011-A01,6FFVAFK01-2-230/50-04 BSTALT
    Description 2/2-WAY MINI-SOLENOID VALVE, DIR. ACT.
    type (TYP) 6011 - 6011
    circuit function (WW) A - 2/2-WAYS; NORMALLY CLOSED
    orifice size (DN) 01,6 - 1,6MM
    seal material (DWST) FF - FKM
    body material (WKST) VA - STAINLESS STEEL
    port connection (LTA) FK01 - FLANGE PATTERN: CONCENTR. G1/8, sub-base
    coil size (SG) 2 - 20 MM
    Voltage (SP) 230 - 230 VOLTS
    frequency (FR) 50 - 50 Hz
    power consumption (LEIS) 04 - 4 WATT


    ****Important note****
    If you choose to use Material 134110. You will need the following parts.
    They should be placed on both sides of the solenoid and 2 lock washers.

    Brass Pipe Fitting, Hex Nipple, 1/8 in. Male NPT x 1/8 in. Male ISO Parallel Thread, Straight Shoulder

    ***This part has been confirmed by Swagelok*** This is there recommendation
    B-2-HN-2RS
    http://www.swagelok.com/search/find_...2-HN-2RS&item=



    Cable plug: 6,75: 3 week Lead time

    [HASHTAG]#008[/HASHTAG] 404: With LED
    [HASHTAG]#008[/HASHTAG] 410: With LED and varistor
    [HASHTAG]#008[/HASHTAG] 356: With rectifier, varistor and LED

    Here is a How to wire thread for the cable plug.

    http://www.barrreport.com/showthread.php/7783-How-to-wire-a-Burkert-type-6011-solenoid
     
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  2. GillesF

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    Great work LostCsr, very useful!
    I'll probably get the [HASHTAG]#134110[/HASHTAG]
     
  3. Lost Csr

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    Thank you GillesF. I added the brass version of the part you wanted.
    It took some time to get all this info. I had to talk to Reps in the US and here.

    I would like to thank Left C and Matt F for answering all my pm and leading me in the right direction.

    Let's show them that Europe can make some good regulator builds too. :cool:


    I would like to clarify with Left C or Matt F about the following parts. I think this can be used as lock washers.

    Adapter Gaskets
    S-2-RS-2V : Carbon Steel Gasket for 1/8 in. ISO Parallel Thread (RS) Fittings, Fluorocarbon FKM Inner Ring
    http://www.swagelok.com/search/find_products_home.aspx?part=S-2-RS-2V&item=

    or

    CU-2-RP-2 : Copper Gasket for 1/8 in. ISO Parallel Thread (RP) Fittings
    http://www.swagelok.com/search/find_products_home.aspx?part=CU-2-RP-2&item=

    The gaskets are sold in groups of 10.
    The swagelok techs recommend part CU-2-RP-2.
     
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  4. Left C

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    I don't use the B-2-HN-2RS or those gaskets, so I really can't clarify what is needed. Just guessing, I would try the S-2-RS-2B with Buna-N/carbon steel or the S-2-RS-2V with Viton/carbon steel.
     
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    Are washers always necessary or can you simply use teflon/sealant?
     
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    Hi Gilles

    One of the adapter nipples has a shoulder that butts up against the solenoid. This would require a gasket or washer. Two G1/8" to 1/8" NPT adapter nipples are needed and there are two different styles of adapter nipples. The other adapter nipple doesn't have a shoulder. I have told Csr that I don't know which one is needed. These are shown below.

    I keep telling Csr that Matt and I don't use these parts. We haven't researched them and we don't know anything about them. Still, Csr PM's me asking me about them or asking for clarification in threads as to which part(s) to use. Matt and I have told Csr to contact Burkert and or Swagelok for these question as we don't know. I don't know if Csr has found out which of these two Swagelok G1/8 to 1/8" NPT adapters should be used to work with the solenoid from the earlier thread here. B-2-HN-2RS (with shoulder) or B-2-HN-2RT (no shoulder)

     
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  7. Lost Csr

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    I apologize for asking. I realize that no one in the US uses these parts.
    I thought that maybe you guys would know what would work.
    Again my apologies for the bother. Will not happen again.

    I have contacted Swagelok. Still awaiting a response.

    For now please use the first solenoid with NPT threads that Burkert suggest.
     
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  8. fongalv

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    Hey csr, are you on a US or Euro type reg? If its US type, why not just get the NPT 6011(00462501) and be done with it? Thats what I'll be doing once I can find an online source to get it from since my local Burkert distributor doesn't want to bring in just 1 unit for me...bummer...
     
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    are the 463938 and 463939 and 456786 part numbers avail in Europe?
    Those are basically the only part numbers I've use here in the States.
     
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    fong: Yes, I will be using an American reg and will also use 462501.

    Matt: There is a similar part to 456786, it's [HASHTAG]#456787[/HASHTAG] but it uses 240v/60Hz. That will not work here.
    Parts 463938 and 463939 according to the Burkert rep in Spain does not have a 240v/50Hz model. Burkert reps in the States also said that for my requirements they do not have a model with Buna-N seals.

    I have sent emails asking if it's possible to get a model number with the same specs as 463938 and 463939 but to be used with Euro voltage.

    I do not see it as a huge market over here, at least in Spain.
    All the LFS I've been to use Single stage regulator. That's all they sell. Jbl, aquamedic, etc. They do not even tell customers of EOTD or reasons to why fish suddenly died in a aquarium that has CO2.
     
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    Fongalv: Material [HASHTAG]#00462501[/HASHTAG] is not listed. When you call your local distributor just tell them the part number, or you might want to ask for the brass version. They will know which one it is.

    Since the solenoid is listed as 50-60Hz you can run it without any problems. This is what the engineer at Burkert said.

    All the above parts that you mentioned will not work.

    Hope this helps.
     
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    Well, thats the problem isn't it...my local Burkert distributor stopped replying to my queries after finding out that I'm only getting ONE unit, thus my only way is to get it online. Why don't the above units work? Because of the AC frequency?
     
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    All 3 models that you suggest are 60Hz. From what the Engineer told me, the solenoid can burn out or something bad can go wrong. Your country uses 50Hz if I am not mistaken.

    Your going through Burkert Singapore, correct?

    Have you found out if there is a store thats affiliated with Burkert?
    See I can not buy direct from Burkert, I have to go through a local store.

    Try seeing if you can get one from Thailand, Indonesia or the Philippines offices. I am sure they have stores that sell there parts.

    Last resort is seeing if you can get one from the US.
     
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    Most if not all AC solenoids can be DC powered at much lower power levels. Read the datasheet.

    Jim
     
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    I'll be ordering the 1/8NPT version. I've sent an e-mail to Bürkert Benelux for an offer.
     
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    You should have a lead time of 4 weeks.
    Hopefully the price is the same that I got it for.
    Just remember this solenoid is the Stainless steal one.
    Did you order the cable plug too?

    I am still waiting on Swagelok for info on a NPT to G hex nipple or adapter.
     
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    Ah, forgot about the plug, will mail them about it. Will the stainless steel cause problems with the brass parts or is just the looks?
    Swagelok is very slow with shipping, last time I had to wait more than one month for everything to arrive. Unfortynately, I have to order again :D
     
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    I think that its all about looks.
     
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    I wanted to make sure that the Swagelok adapter nipples aren't too long to work with the Burkert solenoid. My explanation is rather "wordy" and it might not make any sense at all unless you have the parts in hand to see what I am talking about. My explanation is italicized below. I hope this helps. I'd hate for you to order the wrong parts.


    Material [HASHTAG]#134110[/HASHTAG] (This is a G-thread part) Price 69,30 : 4 week lead time

    Material [HASHTAG]#134098[/HASHTAG] (This is the brass version)

    Mat description: 6011-A01,6FFVAFK01-2-230/50-04 BSTALT
    Description 2/2-WAY MINI-SOLENOID VALVE, DIR. ACT.
    type (TYP) 6011 - 6011
    circuit function (WW) A - 2/2-WAYS; NORMALLY CLOSED
    orifice size (DN) 01,6 - 1,6MM
    seal material (DWST) FF - FKM
    body material (WKST) VA - STAINLESS STEEL
    port connection (LTA) FK01 - FLANGE PATTERN: CONCENTR. G1/8, sub-base
    coil size (SG) 2 - 20 MM
    Voltage (SP) 230 - 230 VOLTS
    frequency (FR) 50 - 50 Hz
    power consumption (LEIS) 04 - 4 WATT


    ****Important note****
    If you choose to use Material 134110. You will need the following parts.
    They should be placed on both sides of the solenoid and 2 lock washers.

    Brass Pipe Fitting, Hex Nipple, 1/8 in. Male NPT x 1/8 in. Male ISO Parallel Thread, Straight Shoulder

    ***This part has been confirmed by Swagelok*** This is their recommendation.
    B-2-HN-2RS: http://www.swagelok.com/search/find_products_home.aspx?part=B-2-HN-2RS&item=
    [​IMG]



    >>> Take a look at the sales drawing for the above adapter nipple. Notice that the length of the G1/8 section from the tip of the threads to the shoulder is 8.1mm. (You have to click on the Sales Drawing link to see the pdf that has the dimensions. It is near the lower right hand corner.) This direct link to the drawing might work. If not, use the link on the nipple's site. http://oem.cadregister.com/asp/PPOW_Entry.asp?company=SwagelokCo&elementID=63396501/FOLDER5/FOLDER1/Y70291/FS&orderedResponses=1|0|&language=GB&oem=true

    Go to page 3 of 8 in this pdf showing the Burkert 6011 solenoid with the 2056 cable plug and its dimensions. Notice that dimension "C" is 25mm. The 25mm is the length of the body that has the ports (the G1/8 or the 1/8" NPT threads) go into. One side is marked "P" which is the input side and the other side is marked with an "A" which is the output side. The threads do not go all the way through the solenoid's body and they go inside unequally. The "P" side has an 11mm depth and the "A" side has a 15mm depth. Since the length of the threads on the G1/8 side of the Swagelok nipple is 8.1mm (from the tip of the threads to the shoulder); this leaves 2.9mm of open space between the end of the nipple and the inside of the solenoid. So, it fits. Be sure to get the washers of your choice. When you included the thickness of your washer, this increases the 2.9mm clearance by the thickness of the washer.
     
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