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ADA Aquasoil Experiences

Discussion in 'Sediment / Substrate' started by feh, Jun 4, 2011.

  1. feh

    feh Guru Class Expert

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    Do you prefer the normal type or the powder type soils and why?

    Have you used any of the additives such as Bacter 100 or Tourmaline BC?

    Did you notice any difference in plant growth or anything else using them?

    Have you used AS in tanks with CO2 and without CO2?

    What was your experience in tanks without CO2?

    Did you notice any algae or other issues in tanks without CO2?
     
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    I have Amazonia II in two non-CO2 tanks (a 65 gal and a 10 gal). I had green water initially at setup, but both tanks have been running for many months now and there is no more or less algae issues than with my non-aquasoil tanks.
    I will have to become a subscriber as I would like to try adding CO2 to my 65 gal, and I have never had a tank with added CO2 before.
    This is an absolutely terrific site!
     
  3. Matt F.

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    I only use Amazonia 1 coarse, even in nano tanks. Powder turns to mush too easily, and I believe it is just for aesthetics (finishing a tank). skip it.
    I've used aquasoil in a co2 tank and a non-co2 tank. lants loved it in both. little to no algae as long as you are doing what you are suppose to be doing.
    I've used bacter100 and tourmaline BC in some tanks (wanted to try it out) and in others I went with straight aquasoil...no difference.

    Hope this helps.

    PS- don't spend the money on powersand either.
     
  4. Tom Barr

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    You might want to see the other thread for questions on touramline and the others.
    ADA has a new type out now, a few folks have just started using it and they have done away with types I and II.
    I like type I, have never tried II, but some have complained about II.

    ADA responded to this by developing the new version and it's will repalce both products now.
    ADG( Houston TX) has considered a refund of sorts, perhaps a reduced rate etc for those who had troubles with II and want the newer type.
    I found this to be very generous of them, as ADA will not replace the product on their own.

    I do not like the powder, it's like dust and replanting it is troublesome for me. It ends up all over the place.
    Like others, I have have tried the other products with and without and never found any difference I could ever discern.
    I do suggest and recommend ADA AS however.

    So no one can accuse me of being a hater, but also not being an ADA Fan boy either. I try and be fair.
    I do not sell ADA directly, but I do use for my client's tanks if I can.
    ADA and their vendors obviously will try and sell you the entire line and tell you the marketing stuff to get you to buy.

    This is understandable and is business.

    Dupla did the same thing 20 years before ADA.
    Dennerle does it in Europe. They must have a little bottle of juice for nearly every possible cure all.
    And someone else in the next 20 years will as well.

    My thing is finding what one thing or set of things that really helps make aquatic plant horticulture easier for the hobbyists, not just make $ for the businesses.
    I'm in the business as well, but I need to be fairly sure I can defend and sell it before hand. A good product sells itself and needs no or little defense.

    Penac? You have to have a great deal of snake oil belief for that to fly.
    That's just outright crazy talk.

    I think ADA As would work nicely in the non CO2 approaches also.
    Hopefully more advanced CO2 users will go back to the basics and try this.

    Regards,
    Tom Barr
     
  5. feh

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    I remember all the complaints about type II. Its why I'm leary of this new type of Amazonia which is the one I was interested in. I do intend to use CO2 in the tank I'm going to use it in, but was curious of how it performed in nonCO2 tanks. Thanks for the replies.
     
  6. Tom Barr

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    They better had fixed the issue, otherwise it'll really hurt their future sales in a big way, while ADG is helping support their customers, ADA is doing nothing to compensate.

    Eco complete had some weird stuff in their product batches awhile ago, they stood and offered a direct exchange and did not stiff the vendors selling it for them.
    I think if ADA sells it, and it does not perform at least somewhat reasonable, they should offer replacements/new product at cost etc, something.

    It is one of the bigger sellers and screwing with it again.........I do not think is wise.
     
  7. feh

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    I agree... wouldn't be wise. I saw the post on TPT about ADG offering exchanges and there was a little info ADG's experience using the new stuff. So far so good. I'm also curious about the grain size myself and saw they hadn't replied to your question about that yet.
     
  8. Tom Barr

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    It is just too new to say just yet. ADA fan boys are not the best reviewers.

    A wide range of people need to use it prior to a rational conclusion.
     
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    Hi Tom,

    This thread is making me nervous as I have heard some not good things on the version II.

    Which one am I getting for my new build?

    Thanks!
     
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    Thoughts on ADA limited Amazonia soil?

    I doubt that were going to get it here in Europe. Hopefully they do cause its a nice grain size.

    Been using ADA AS I for about 2 months now and it's working wondering on my HC.
     
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    The timing on all this really sucks because I'd really prefer to get Amazonia I which I would feel comfortable using and I was planning to do my dry start next month or so. :-\ I was just pricing the stuff the other day and saw "out of stock" on both type I and type II then saw a thread on another forum about all that and some info on ADG's site about it. So I dunno which way to turn now.
     
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    Nevermind I found a source for ADA Amazonia I
     
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    What is this magic source? Can you share?
     
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    Grr... they just sold out. I just asked them like 3hrs ago if they still had it in stock.
     
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    AquaForestAquarium is showing Amazonia 1 still in stock on their site. I just called to verify, but they aren't open yet.

    104-021 - Aqua Soil - Amazonia (9 liters) - Normal - $28.00 : http://www.adana-usa.com/index.php?main_page=afa_product_info&cPath=12_21&products_id=99

    104-031 - Aqua Soil - Amazonia (3 liters) - Normal - $12.00 : http://www.adana-usa.com/index.php?main_page=afa_product_info&cPath=12_21&products_id=97

    104-041 - Aqua Soil - Amazonia (9 liters) - Powder - $36.00 : http://www.adana-usa.com/index.php?main_page=afa_product_info&cPath=12_21&products_id=100

    104-051 - Aqua Soil - Amazonia (3 liters) - Powder - Out of Stock



    Aqua Forest Aquarium
    Address: 1718 Fillmore St, San Francisco, CA 94115

    Tel: 415-929-8883

    Fax: 415-929-8826

    Email: aquaforestaquarium@yahoo.com

    Store Hours: Mon - Sat 11:00am to 7:00pm
    Store Hours: Sun 12:00 pm to 6:00pm
    Store Hours: Close on Tuesday.
     
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    I just called AquaForest and they have Amazonia 1 in stock just like I have it listed above. (11:10 am PDST)
     
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    I went to the wrong site when he asked. sent him a pm to correct site.
     
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    Would 4 bags be plenty for a 75 gallon?
     
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    One 9 liter bag is 9 liters x 61 cubic inches per liter = 549 cubic inches; so 4 bags is 2196 cubic inches.

    The 75g footprint is 48" x 18" or 864 square inches. A 1" depth is 864 cubic inches.

    So, 2196 cubic inches ÷ 864 cubic inches per 1" of depth = 2.54" of substrate depth using 4 bags.

    5 bags is 2745 cubic inches. Then 2745 cubic inches ÷ 864 cubic inches per 1" of depth = 3.18" of substrate depth using 5 bags.

    Are you adding any slopes or hills? Do you want it shallow somewhere like in the front and/or a side?
     
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