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Ada 45f - Shallow, Mossy, Shrimp

Discussion in 'Journals' started by Jack McCarron, Oct 23, 2018.

  1. Jack McCarron

    Jack McCarron New Member

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    Hey! Thanks for checking out my thread. This is my first tank. Please help me solve issues (described below) and teach me things!


    Specs
    Tank and hardware

    ADA 45f (45x24x16cm) tank
    ADA aquasky G 451 LED light
    Hydor in-line heater
    GLA GRO-1 CO2 regulator
    JARDLI 10mm lily pipe outflow
    JARDLI 13mm glass inflow
    Shiruba XB-303 filter
    bio media that came with filter
    seachem purigen
    Inline CO2 diffuser
    Side-mounted cooling fan
    2x double tap hose connectors
    Drop checker with Fluval CO2 indicator solution

    Hardscape/Substrate
    Hunk of wood
    ADA power sand
    ADA amazonia
    ADA amazonia powder type
    ADA colorado sand

    Flora
    Riccardia Chamedryfolia
    Monte Carlo
    Hemianthus Callitrichoides "HC Cuba"
    Phoenix Moss
    Java Moss
    Weeping Moss
    Java Fern (needle leaf)

    Fauna
    Red Cherry Shimps
    Pond Snails

    Routine
    Water change (50% every Sunday)

    "Python" hose w/ sink adapter
    Seachem equilibrium (1 tsp)
    Baking soda (1/4 tsp)
    Aqueon dechlorinator (2.5 ml)

    Light and CO2
    CO2 from 10am - 2pm (4 hours)
    Light from 11am - 3pm (4 hours)

    Water Parameters
    Temperature 72 F / 23 C
    4 dKH (baking soda with water change)
    7 dGH (equilibrium with water change)

    Fertilizer Dosing
    Mon/Wed/Fri
    KNO3 (1/16 tsp)
    KH2PO4 (1/64 tsp)
    K2SO4 (1/64 tsp)​
    Tues/Thurs/Sat
    Plantex CSM-B (1/64 tsp)​

    CHANGELOG

    10/23/2018
    - replaced JARDLI spin outflow with JARDLI lily pipe outflow
    - added inline CO2 diffuser
    - put a foam filter guard (came with filter) on inflow​

    Resolved Issues
    Weak flow

    I had poor flow through the tank with my original "spin" outflow. I chose it because it was the smallest outflow I could find that fit a 1/2" (or 13mm) hose, but the flow just churned in the back corner. I've now got a lily pipe outflow that gives much better flow and is small enough for the tank (10mm or 3/8"). I'm using a plastic reducer to go from 1/2" hose to 3/8".​

    Ongoing Issues
    Algae

    I have quite a bit of brown algae (I think?) clinging to my java moss.
    Current experiment to combat it is to work on dialing in CO2 while cutting back on lighting since they are both unknowns for me and are (as I understand it) big factors in algae growth. I switched to a very short photo period of just 4 hours because algae was getting out of hand. Since then, the algae is no longer blooming, but still present. Based on this youtube video

    I am guessing that my CO2 was quite low given the upward growth of my HC
    Dennis also has a fantastic video on gaseous exchange

    that gave me the thought to increase flow and surface agitation by switching to a lily pipe outflow instead of spin type.

    I've also switched my CO2 delivery from a hang-on-tank glass diffuser stone to an inline diffuser and finally gotten my drop checker in the mail.

    Lighting-wise I'm still in the dark without a PAR meter, but I suspect the ADA 451 is just way too much light for the shallow flood type tank. Should I just buy a PAR meter?
    Shrimp Death
    Some shrimps have died since introducing them to the tank. :oops:

    Water quality is good: 0 ammonia, 0 nitrite, <20 nitrate. I have not had time to really do a full day of measuring pH and its hard as hell to read the color chart, but it seems to be fairly stable at 6.6.

    My hypothesis is I'm killing them by doing water changes straight from the tap with the Python, but I really don't want to go back to the bucket... I add Equilibrium, dechlorinator, and baking soda after the changes but even though I'm measuring it, it could be very error-prone since I can't guarantee I've done exactly 50%. My tap water is very soft (0kh, 0gh) with a super high ph (8.5).

    On the positive side, I see some REALLY small white things that are chugging along through the water in a sea-monkey-like manner. Baby shrimp? I've also seen two molts so far. Not sure if that's a positive sign or not.​

    Poor HC carpeting
    My HC cuba is not doing so well
    It grows upwards and keeps uprooting. As I mentioned in the algae section, this video

    tells me what to do. More CO2.
    Pond Snails
    They're in there.​

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  2. Jack McCarron

    Jack McCarron New Member

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    Does anyone have experience with Fluval indicator solution in a drop checker?

    This solution says specifically to not add water so it ought to be completely independent from my tank's water chemistry other than gas exchange. It was deep blue before putting in my tank. It became a nice lime green during my CO2 period. Afterwards I took it out and placed it in front of a fan until it returned to deep blue. Then I returned it to the tank and left it overnight (8+ hours with no CO2 AND a large water change) but it returned to the green color pictured. How can this be? Are there variables involved that I am not understanding/accounting for or does it really mean that I still have above atmospheric levels of CO2 in my water?

    I have decent surface agitation and a shallow tank. I would think that it would off-gas pretty quickly, no?
     
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    I have almost exact same equipment as well . I think the aqua sky light is good for high light plants like Cuba, but it may be too much for moss.

    Great you tube posts! I'll check them out. i'm still fairly new to C02 and from what I've read it's good to crank it up at first and then start dialing down. Probably better without livestock. I'm assuming you didn't do dry start for this tank?
     
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    Wow, i also just read your PH level...that's super high as you mention. That may be causing issues with your plants and livestock.
     
  5. Jack McCarron

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    Next time I will do the dry start. I would love to see your set up. How is it going for you?

    Yeah. pH in the tank is around 6.6 so it seems to drop just fine. Not sure what is dropping it. Maybe the tannins from the wood or the substrate? I heard from somebody at the fish store that the high pH would come down if the water was left out for a bit. I'm going to do an experiment and I'll share the results: test pH of tank water and tap water right now, then test the pH of the same samples in the morning.
     
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    I haven’t started my tank just yet. I do plan to dry start so we’ll see how that goes. I’ll be sure to post the progress here.

    Interesting point about the wood. I’m only using seiryu stone so I probably wouldn’t know much more about wood keeping.
     
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    BTW, if you do get your PAR reading, can you share that? I'd be interested in how much the aquasky is putting out.
     
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