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75g "Dutch" Weed Farm

Discussion in 'Journals' started by slipfinger, Jun 27, 2017.

  1. slipfinger

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    Nothing really new and exciting to report, did a little trim and water change today. Waters still a little cloudy.

    I will be glad to fill this order of 20 helferi so I can clear the right side out. Still not too sure what my plan is for that side of the tank.

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    Rotala macrandra has never grown like this before in the 75. Colour is still not perfect, but I'm impressed with the growth.

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    New 40 is clearing up nicely.

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    I was collecting a few Pogostemon helferi to sell and just had to post this. This thing is huge.

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    Iphone 6 for size comparison.

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    Very nice growth you got there! I am impressed by the Rotala Mac. Any algae around? All plants growing well?


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    Thanks @fablau.

    I am also impressed by the R. mac. These are stems I've had in the tank 'surviving' for probably 5 months now. Other than the first week I added them, they have never grown like this.

    I have done and am currently doing a few things differently that could explain why it has decided to start looking better and actually start growing. First I started dosing Flourish Trace as micros, along with .1ppm DTPA Fe. (The whole seeing if tab water would supply enough was not cutting it.) I added a little extra Mn to get a 2:1 ratio Fe to Mn. After a recommendation from burr I also upped my B to be full ei levels .025ppm using Borax, Flourish Trace has very little B if using the label rate of 5ml/20gal. I was adding 20ml which gave me 0.002ppm B. Very low. I noted improvement in R. mac but if I dare trim it and replant the nice looking tops, instant stunting.

    A few weeks after starting the above (I'd have to look at notes to get specific dates) I started dosing .25ppm urea daily. I lowered my Kno3 to just under 5ppm to accommodate the added urea. Growth of everything exploded, P. helferi was growing like mad and sending out side shoots by the dozens. Over all everything was growing nice, but after a week or so of this routine I started to notice a fair amount of dust algae on my front glass. I was cleaning it every other day, not a big deal but still a pita. At about the same time I started to see a little hair algae growing here and there around the tank, mainly older ratty Pantanal stumps and my H. corymbosa. I reduced urea dosing to every other day and things improved, I may clean the glass once a week between water changes and it probably doesn't even need it. Hair algae has all but disappeared. Might be a little on the older leaves of H.corymbosa, but that's about it. H. corymbosa has it's own issues, explained below.

    I did have a small BBA outbreak which was due to either me being too aggressive with moving things around and really mucking up the tank. I did big water changes after each move, but I basically removed everything and deep vacuumed the whole tank over a period of a week and a half. Probably not the smartest thing to do. It could also have been a delayed response to some Co2 issues I was having, due to needle valve float. Anyways everything has stabilised and BBA and Hair algae has disappeared for the most part, I had a good look around the tank last night and it was hard to find signs of it.

    About three weeks ago now, I started dosing full ei level micros using non chelated ingredients. Fe comes from .1ppm Fe DTPA and .1ppm Fe gluconate. If I could pinpoint one thing that has caused R.mac to visually improve, I would say this would be it. It looks better and better each day and I am now able to trim it and not see any stunting at all of the newly planted tops, it just rolls along growing.

    Yes almost everything is growing well. I posted the comparison pictures a page back, as I was amazed at the over all growth of everything in such a short period, nine days I think.

    One plant that is giving fits currently is H. corymbosa. It is just not growing all that well, leaves are small, growth is really slow and it was the first plant I saw algae latch on to, both hair algae and BBA. I am thinking Co2 could be the issue. Being in the corner and the way my circulation is, it may not be getting as much Co2 as it would like. I have considered moving it out of the corner but I don't know were to move it to. I have added a couple Flourish root tabs under it to see if maybe added nutrients would kick start it, just did that two days ago, too soon to see if there is improvement.

    Anyways. Long post, these are the things that have changed over the last couple months. Co2 and lighting has remained untouched during this whole period, same photo period and same ph drop.

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    Thank you for the detailed facts description. I can actually see great results from your changes! Of course, you have ADA AS, so you can "lard" on traces more than folks (like me) using inert substrates. But I love Rotala Mac and I can't wait to see it develop in your tank. Thanks for sharing all that useful information. Appreciated!
     
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    Wow that is one fat Downoi!
     
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    This is some impressive growth indeed. Do you fertilize your growth tanks similarly? Is the plant on the right in your upper growth tank (40 gallon?) an Eriocaulon setaceum? If so, is it a small or the large variant, I think the small one is type 1 and the large is type 3?
     
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    The bottom 40B is a month old and the upper one is one week old.
    I am randomly adding Fe and micros along with a little K, no N or P yet, to the bottom tank.
    I have yet to anything at all to the upper tank.
    Both tanks are AS.

    I only have a few Erios and they are Eriocaulon cinereum (I think) in the bottom tank in front of the patch of AR mini.

    TBH, I have no clue what the plant is in the upper tank on the right.... Rotala nanjenshan??
     
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    Thank you for the clarification. Rotala najenshan is indeed more likely than E. setaceum.
     
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    Moved a few things around.

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    The Pantanal was being shaded by the Sagittarius floating over top of it so I switched it with the Mermaid weed. I am not happy with the right side at all, way too much red. I picked up some Ambulia which is in the right front corner still transitioning from being emersed. My plan is to replace something red on the right side with the Ambulia which will add a little more green to that side of the tank. I still need to sort out the front right corner. I have a couple ideas and ordered a few different plants which will be here next week to try in that corner.

    I also ordered a couple new bulbs to try, Hortilux PowerVeg 633 and 660. These are both very high in the red spectrum. It will be interesting to see how they look in combination with my other bulbs. I'm thinking on replacing the 6500K (fourth bulb from the left) with the ATI blue and putting one of the PowerVeg bulbs where the ATI blue was.

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    PowerVeg 633
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    PowerVeg 660
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    This looks like an interesting bulb Full Spectrum plus UV. Basically I could get a nice tan while doing tank maintenance.

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    Thats looking great! Interested to see how you like those bulbs. Ive thought about trying them but never pulled the trigger.
     
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    Thanks.

    I'll definitely post some pictures. They are not the cheapest bulbs $40 CAN per bulb, couldn't decide which one so bought both. Wife is going to kill me when she sees the visa bill!
     
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    Tanks looking good :)
    Be interesting to see how it's going to look replacing the blue for red.
     
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    Nice update. Your tank is always a pleasure to see.

    Now as to the wife comment, in my home we've adopted the "don't ask, don't tell" policy when it comes to my tank.....and golf clubs. She shakes her head once in awhile, but she knows it's useless. When I feel particularity guilty, sending her on a visit to the Casino usually gets me back in good graces, and throws her off the scent.:D:D
     
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    I've been away on my annual canoe/kayak trip since Wednesday morning, where I spent 4 night and 5 days sleeping under the stars and paddle the lakes and rivers of Algonquin Park. Of course while I am paddling around I always have my eyes focused on the water and what aquatic plants I might find. I didn't get many pictures while while out on the water but I was amazed by some of the 6' + long Vallisneria flowing along the surface. I did find a few eriocaulon along the shore of one of the sites we stayed at. Anyone know what variety these are?

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    Back to my tank.

    I got a call Wednesday morning from the place I ordered my new bulbs from and he informs me they are in but....... one of the bulbs was broken during shipping so he ordered another one which is suppose to be in mid this week and they are not going to charge me for it because of the issues. Gotta like that.

    I am always amazed at the growth of the tank when you don't see it for a few days. I am going to have to spend a couple hours tomorrow night reducing the bio-load in the tank.

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    On another topic, I throw a couple of old ratty algae infested Wallichii in the 40b I set up a month and a week with AquaSoil. It has only received a couple drops of Fe and thats about it since the tank was set up.

    Here is a picture of the stems in my 75g.
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    Here are the same stems today in one of the 40 with just new AS.
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    That's all I really have to share at the moment. I'll post another update after I do some trimming and cleaning.
     
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    This week has been nuts work wise. I've been putting in 15 hour days, leaving the house at 4am and and not getting home till after 9pm.

    The tank is in need of a major trim, bio-load is extremely high atm. It won't be until Sunday before I can jump in there and pull, pluck and prune. I have not noticed any algae yet, but I'm sure if things don't get cleaned up asap it will rear its ugly head. Pantanal is not happy, lots of complaining. I missed a couple days throwing pellets into the tank for the shrimp. When the little buggers get hunger, AR takes a hit.

    I did get a chance last night to quickly throw the PowerVeg 633 into my fixture. I still need to mess around with where it will end up in the batting order, thinking of moving it to first or second in the rotation to see if it will create a little depth in the tank. I throw it in the back for the time being to see what it looked like, didn't get much time to really evaluate the look of the tank. It sure does throw off a red/pink color, the back wall in the picture is normally yellow.

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    Looks great, the colours really pop :)
     
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    Thats really looking great!

    The Power Veg has a UVL Red Sun look to it, just from the pics, which you cant get anymore. Yep...gonna have to kop one of those bad boys

    Do you know what the PAR is like?
     
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    I don't currently have the Par meter, I'll try and get my hands on it tomorrow.

    This is the 633, will be interesting to see what the 660 looks like. The 660 is the one that didn't make the journey, postman broke it.
     
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    Finally got a chance to get my elbows wet. Because of being so busy with work last week the tank didn't get any attention at all.

    I moved a bunch of things around. I am not happy with the current look atm, but maybe once it grows in it will grow on me. I figure I'm not going to get better if I don't try different things and experiment with different plants in different locations.

    I decided to move the Sagittarius out, not to sure how I feel about that move. I replaced it with Ambulia, which is growing a lot slower than I thought it would. Maybe once the Ambulia grows in I might like it a little better.

    Moved the Cabomba 'purple/red' out to try and reduce the amount of taller red plants on the right side of the tank. I moved the Pantanal back to the left side and brought the Mermaid back which needs to thicken up.

    Reduced the amount of Lobelia so I could make some room for AR mini. Didn't bring it back for scaping purposes but to see how it will manage in the 75. In the past when dosing CSM+B it was stunted with twisted leaves. Since the AR has been in my grow out tanks with just new AS and no added nutrients it have grown almost damn near perfect.

    Added Hygro 'compact' in the front right. Mainly so it will grow out, not to sure what the plan is for it. I'm thinking of removing the AR 'rosanervig' I've never really liked the look of it and its not really growing, its just there.

    About two weeks ago I added a couple flourish root tabs under the Hygrophila 'Siamensis 53B' to see if it would help it along, and it worked. It has not been this dense and thick for a very long time.

    I still need to reduce the Pogo 'erectus' and 'gayi', but I have no room what so ever left in either of my 40's.


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