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Discussion in 'Aquascaping' started by Atb333atb, Dec 29, 2017.

  1. Atb333atb

    Atb333atb Junior Poster

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    I will start a new journal for my new dutch project. I hope I can adequately add photos directly from my phone.
    Intro.
    130x60x55cm tank 429l 10mm optiwhite glass, rimmles
    White cabinet.
    80 liters of substrate 64 scapers soil, rest aquaponics peables in bags for stabilazing soil.
    Filtration - a lot:
    Eheim 2080 with 12l substrat pro
    Jbl 1901 with pummice
    Jbl 1501 as a prefilter for the prvious one with half sponge and half pumice
    3 sun-sun 603a prefilters canisters (prefilters for eheim and co2 reactor)
    8x54w blau fixture.
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    Cabinet IMG_20171208_223058.jpg Aquarium
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    Soil "roots"
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    Full blast
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    Atb333atb Junior Poster

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    Substrate: IMG_20171218_200633.jpg Hardware: IMG_20171222_223930.jpg IMG_20171222_224021.jpg Some plants from friends :)
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    Water was added and all the the filters worked for a week before planting. Lightless :) in that period I adeed some fish food and some bacteria.
     
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    IMG_20171223_112748_001_COVER.jpg A shy start.
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    More plants IMG_20171228_233819.jpg IMG_20171228_232948.jpg
     
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    Wow that is the fasted instant planted tank I have ever seen.

    Nice execution of your plan. Really looks great.

    Normally I would add that I'm looking forward to see how it fills in, but I think you took care of that right from start. Never saw an initial planting before that looks like it's ready for a trim!;)
     
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    Thanks :)
    I toke down a small full planted tank 85liter
    And I have lots of friends :) 1514312314586.jpg 1513699475221.jpg 1514312606646.jpg This baby dutch tank was fully stoked. 85 liters of hard harvested plants :)
     
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    Insta-Scape I believe it is called:D!
     
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    Hello,

    very nice tank so far. Why do you have so much filtration?
    And I am very interested in your fert routines ;).

    Greetings
    Sebastian
     
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    Hello! Thx. In my last tank I had insuficient filtration and it was a PITA. I add masterline (micro 3 times a week, macro 4 times a week) masteline carbo every day. (Masterline is a local complete fertilization line) in my last dutch scape I went with estimative index and profito.
     
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    Full planted. But some are losing red color. 1515686585491.jpg 1515686681141.jpg
     
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    I have some issues. What deficit could this be? The stems of my limnophila rugossa are geting very soft. Also some leaves. The potion near the sediment is mostly afected. Lobelia cardinalis is also looking bad. This plants are in the midle of the tank in a spot with lower waterflow. If you have any ideea pls let me know. My toninas and red plants are doing good. Or at least decent.
    It,s not a Co2 issue because I grow those in non co2 tank easy
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    Looks like the ADA As is slowing the KH decrease and less NH4.
    More CO2 perhaps would help.

    Check the difference between your KH at the start vs now.
     
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    I have to check that today. I have decent tap wather (2 kh and 3gh). At the begining with soil the kh was under 0,5. Will mesure it today. I have 20ppm no3,
    only 0,4 ppm po4 because it,s absorbed by scapers soil,
    3-4 ppm Mg
    0,4 ppm fe (I might add more trace soon this level is like this 1/3 trace mix 1/3 gluconate, 1/3 DTPA) Ph target is 6,00 from 7,2 (tap wather) but I close it at night. Should I try to let it 24/7 until the tank gets more stabele?
     
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    The plant biomass is high. The Lobelia looks like it needs more. More of everything is what I would try.

    Try higher macros including more nitrate. More water changes. Add more GH. More CO2, may be drop pH by 1.3 to 1.4 for a little bit with more circulation.
     
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    I suspected a big Mg deficit. On my test gh is 2 but Mg is 2 beacause of ferts. Tap water have no Mg where I live.
    Strange thing is that I had 2-3 tanks with same plant going well with the same water and the same ferts. Maybe the light and the adapting periods have a big role also. Meanwhile I dose some mgSo4 so now I have 6-8 ppm magnesium. IMG_20180102_213218.jpg
     
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    Trim the tank, for better flow, i don't believe its Mg issue, even I know in Cluj water is low on Mg

    Don't run CO2 at night, its a waste and it can kill your fish because I know you pushing the pedal good on CO2 :)

    I see some pale/yellow new growth on some plants,maybe add more iron ?
     
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    You know I have 5 sources of fe
     
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    Of course i know , but maybe you need to add more
     
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    my tank is doing better! I dose more of everyting so i dont know what was the issue :( i dose more micro, more co2, more magnesium
     
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