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100g Reboot

Discussion in 'Journals' started by dannsafly, Jan 21, 2019.

  1. dannsafly

    dannsafly New Member

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    Hello everyone. I have been waiting to start this journal for some time. I consider myself a noob although been reading quite a lot. My last attemp ended horribly 5 years ago. Since then my life changed dramatically for the better. Now with supporting wife and kids by my side I decided to try again.

    Aguarium is located in dining room. Maintenance is pretty simple. I do 50% or more water change every week. Lightly Vacuum the tank and change prefilter sponge.




    Tank: Miracles 48x24x20
    Ati 8x54w as of last week :)
    Filtration 30 gallon sump. Sealed/glued wet/dry permanently. Added sliding drawer for easy cleaning

    Airgas Co2 regulator, 20” carges co2 reactor with venturi feed by dedicated quiet one 700gph pump :)
    Mag18 return to 1 1/4 pvc elbow at the top and 1” to loc line.
    Jebao dosing pump for EI plus 20ml of excel every day.
    Dry ferts I’m getting from Nilocg

    Fauna:
    10 ottos
    5 SAE
    30 Amanos. Now 24 or so
    120 red cherries.
    60 rummynose
    2 bristlenose pleco

    Flora:

    Staurogyne repens
    Crypt parva
    Riccardia
    Blyxa japonica
    AR mini
    Fissdent fontanus
    Anubias nana
    Anubias Nana Petite
    DHG
    Christmas mini
    Christmas moss
    Buce red mini
    Buce green wavy
    Crypt wenditi green
    Hydrocotyle tripartita
    Rotala catipiller


    Light is hanging 30” above the substrate.
    Light /co2 cycle:

    12pm Co2 ON
    2pm Lights ON channel 1,2 ph drop from 7.8 to 6.7 drop checker lime green
    3:30pm 60%
    6:30pm 60%
    8:40pm 100%
    9:00pm 100% drop checker yellow
    9:20pm Co2 OFF
    10:20pm 15%
    10:30pm 8%
    11:00pm lights OFF



    Last week I noticed some algae growth.

    Pics:

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    Here is pics of algae. It growing only on moss and fissdent. What would be best to do in my case?

    With tek fixture 4 inches above water I didn’t see any pearling for the first 6 weeks. Now with ati plants pearling like crazy. I don’t have access to PAR meter.

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  2. Greggz

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    First of all, the tank is very nicely done, and a beautiful presentation.

    Curious.....why did you go to the new light? Things looked pretty darn good under the other one.
     
  3. dannsafly

    dannsafly New Member

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    Apperance, dimmer ability and much better spread. There is only one cable coming out of the fixture. More bulbs plus gurus using it :)

    Here is more pics of the algae. Other then dimming the lights not sure what to do.

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    8 x T5HO is a LOT of light.

    When you increase the light, you are driving the tank harder. More demand for CO2/ Ferts.

    You don't list your actual dosing. What is your ppm N:K;Ca:Mg? Have you adjusted it since increasing the light level?

    And some of those are low light plants (Crypts/Anubias/Moss). Can be tricky to keep them with stems when light intensity gets very high.

    I wouldn't necessarily judge things by pearling. I can create excess pearling quite easily by increasing light or CO2. But would be difficult to sustain it there long term. Some very, very nice tanks have very little to no pearling at all.
     
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  5. dannsafly

    dannsafly New Member

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    Don’t know much about ferts. Dosing what was recommended herehttp://nilocg.com/diy-ei-liquid-fertilizer/

    Concentrations(as per wets calculator):
    Micro-
    B- 0.09ppm
    Cu 0.01ppm
    Fe 0.50 ppm
    Mg 0.11 ppm
    Mn 0.14 ppm
    Mo 0.0038 ppm
    Zn 0.03 ppm
    dGH 0.02

    Macros:
    N- 7.5ppm
    P- 1.3ppm
    K- 4.27ppm

    Here is what I did so far. Reduced the light intensity by quite a bit.
    Spend an hour yesterday removing this thing with tweezers.

    Can I safely spot treat with excel? With all bulbs dimmed to 50% what PAR will I have at the substrate?

    This “plant” is growing super fast :)
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    dannsafly New Member

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    Did One-Two Punch method. Didn’t work as planned lol. Not sure what happen but christmas moss and fissdend lost all their color. Now look kinda pale. Algae is now red and amanos and cherries are grazing on it.

    Bumped co2 a bit. Bought Hanna PH checker plus and mesured tank water in a bucket with an airstone for an hour - PH 7.85

    11pm Co2 ON
    2pm Lights ON channel 1,2 ph drop from 7.8 to 6.6 drop checker yellow
    3:30pm 30%
    6:30pm 40%
    7:00pm 60%
    8:00pm 75%
    9:00pm 35%
    9:20pm Co2 OFF
    10:00pm 5%
    11:00pm lights OFF

    A few questions for anyone willing to enlighten me...

    Before my weekly water change, if my nitrate test shows nitrate of 20-40ppm does that mean that my macros are good? Obviously, I’m not at that level where I can look at the plant and say “Looks like it needs more magnesium!” I’m not quite a noob, but...by no means an expert!

    If my GH is 12 and KH is 8, does that mean that I don’t have to worry about calcium?


    If that’s the case, then would it be better if I move MP10 to the overflow/return side? Currently, it faces them.

    Thanks much,
    Mark
     
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    Hey dannsafly,

    I like the whole setup.

    Im curious about the MP10, I was about to get one of those but specs say maximum glass thickness 3/8". It looks like your using 1/2" glass. Does it hold up fine for you ?

    As for your queshton about using it. Is your return output from sump directed in a way that makes a nice surface ripple ? You could use the MP10 for that. Also, could use it to make sure your getting a nice current sweeping across the whole front. Id try it rite under the return output or the left side close to the front glass.

    Use EI recommended dose for Nitrate. 50% water changes and having plants growing will keep you from reaching any toxic level.

    GH = Magnesium + Calcium. KH is hard to explain. Here is a quote not from me

    " GH primarily refers to the concentration of calcium and magnesium in the water, whereas KH refers to the concentration of bicarbonate and carbonate, and KH is important for maintaining a stable pH (acidity) "

    Id recommend check water report for Calcium and Magnesium level or you could measure.
     
  8. dannsafly

    dannsafly New Member

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    It works just fine. I put a little bit of clear silicone on the dry side when I installed it. Today I had to use razor blade to move it to return side. The magnet isn't strong enough to hold it on its own.

    Here is my water report :)

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    8 T5 tubes are too much light , that is the reason those algae came from
     
  10. msb

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    I searched for more detail of water supply in Chicago area. See measurements in mg/L (same as ppm). That is a detailed analysis. Measurements strait from the Lake and multiple outputs from the treatment plants. Pretty much the same as readings strait from Lake Michigan water.

    https://www.chicago.gov/city/en/depts/water/supp_info/water_quality_resultsandreports/comprehensive_chemicalanalysis.html

    https://www.chicago.gov/content/dam/city/depts/water/WaterQltyResultsNRpts/ccReports/CCA-2018-1-3.pdf

    Ca 35.2ppm
    Mg 12.5ppm
     
  11. dannsafly

    dannsafly New Member

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    I have no idea what ideal levels of Ca and Mg are. I’ve met a few people from Chicago Aquatic Plant Society and most of them use water from Lake Michigan. I got my hands on apogee MQ-510, which I just used:

    Here are the measurements at 4 inches from the front glass. Ati was hung 31 inches from the substrate.

    Bulbs from front to back:
    Aquaflora
    Zoo med Flora sun
    Giesemann tropic
    Ati purple plus
    Giesemann tropic
    Aquaflora
    Plantmax
    Midday


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    Here is how I have it setup now:

    Light is hanging 38 inches from the substrate

    Channel 1
    14:00 ON
    14:30 30%
    16:00 40%
    18:00 40%
    18:30 60%
    20:00 60%
    20:30 30%
    22:00 30%
    22:10 5%
    23:00 OFF

    Channel 2
    14:00 ON
    14:30 30% Par 90
    19:30 30%
    20:00 60% Par 120
    20:30 30% Par 80
    22:00 20%
    22:10 5%
    23:00 OFF

    If someone with experience in these levels could give me their input on whether these Par levels are too high, or adequate, I’d appreciate it!
     
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  12. Kyalgae

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    Not really related to your last post, but did you manage to eradicate you blue/grey staghorn algae? If you did, what worked for you?

    Nice tank!
     
  13. dannsafly

    dannsafly New Member

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    One-two punch worked quite well. Lost some mini-Christmas moss, but that’s not a biggie.

    Most of the plants are doing great, except AR Mini for some unknown reason. Not enough ferts?

    Please see pics.

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